@Ben L. said:
@El_Heffe said:** Yes, I know, you stopped reading as soon as you saw "Slashdot".
Yes, I too stopped reading the post when I got to the end.
Funny how that works.
@Ben L. said:
@El_Heffe said:** Yes, I know, you stopped reading as soon as you saw "Slashdot".
Yes, I too stopped reading the post when I got to the end.
Funny how that works.
Not sure what the 153 salesman/execs whatever had to do with 5/7 of the engineering department being fired.
Guess the WTF in this thread is your post.
An email that came in earlier today had the following footer:
This e-mail is from XXX YYY ZZZ & AAA LLP, a law firm, and may contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, copy or distribute the e-mail or any attachments. Instead, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail and any attachments. Thank you.
I'm trying to figure out the do not read part. Of course, the FUNNY part of the whole thing is that I actually wasn't the intended recipient for the email. Not sure who it was for, but it wasn't supposed to go to me or anyone else in my company. I went ahead and notified the sender, but still...
I'm not sure what's worse... that interview or the fact that after seeing this post yesterday I burned about 3 hours of daylight watching various youtube videos. Then promptly forgot about it all. I saw this post today, clicked the link and hit play on the video.. and about 30 seconds into thought "this looks familiar..."
I think I need a vacation.
You need to find out what tool they are using which produces that crap and report back.
@boomzilla said:
One reason they keep them is for refunds. Or at least, that's something they do with the stored numbers. I know I've returned things there and had the amount credited back to my card.
You need the transaction id to do this, not the card number.
Target, like several others, stores the card number right alongside the transaction id in their systems so they can look it up. Of course, the @#$% Receipt # is good enough to look up a trans id as well.
After wracking my brain, the ONLY reason I can think of that these morons would store a card number is to facilitate matching multiple transactions up with a single "customer" in order to establish a profile. However, even then hashing the number (one way encryption) would be the ideal way of handling this which would mitigate any data loss.
Article for reference: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/18/secret-service-target-data-breach/4119337/
The gist of the article is that Target, a US super store retailer, lost who knows how many credit card numbers. They have about 1800 stores in the US, and another 120+ in Canada. The losses appear to involve all of their stores from around Thanksgiving through December 15th.
My company processes credit cards. As a matter of course we don't store any of that information. Instead we just store the transaction ID, which, quite frankly, is ALL that is necessary to deal with any type of refunds or accounting audits. There is simply zero reason to keep the card number.
What I'm absolutely mystified about is why in the hell anyone, other than the card issuers themselves keeps the numbers at all? What could they possibly use them for? I'm sure I'm going to get a couple letters from a few banks I do business with letting me know that yet AGAIN they are cancelling my current cards and are reissuing. I also got bit by Adobe's loss of card numbers earlier this year. Actually, this will likely be the 4th time in 2013 I've had to replace a card..lovely.
At what point will Visa/MC and the banks start suing the crap out of these companies for losing those details? The banking costs alone for reissuing thousands (potentially millions) of cards has got to be enormous.
So, here's a question for the people here: Do systems you work with/on store credit card details? If so, why? I have yet to see anyone with a valid reason for it.
8 years...that's all? Hell, around here we measure time by decades...
All kidding aside: the "experience" requirements list shows that the project is likely in a state of complete disaster where the supposed "architects" simply couldn't pick a technology so barfed all over several competing ones.
Given the location, the crapshoot of tools involved, the fact they want a Jr. Dev with 8 years exp and that CI is listed 3 times - good indicator that mgmt is currently pissed off that things aren't talking to each other - I'm guessing this has "healthcare" written all over it. If so, no wonder that beast cost like a bazillion dollars to build -- but I'm hoping that I'm wrong. Either way, the job looks like the winning candidate would be stepping into a shit storm.
Dude you are simply Awesome. Keep up the Good Work.
@ekolis said:
"NO!" cries Bill. "I was just about to tell him! 'If the foo shits, wear it!'"
Even after googling, I still don't "get" this joke.
@dhromed said:
What I'm saying is that consoles just aren't very good. They're okay. But not great. And they're supposed to be great, I think. That's the idea. And that idea was thrown away and now we have PS4 and XBone.
Granted, I have a Wii U. And I only bought that because the kids begged me and they had been good for a long time. I just looked up the prices for an XBox One: $560 and UP. My god that's just insane, you can buy a pretty good computer, or laptop, for that.
@boomzilla said:
@PedanticCurmudgeon said:It's always interesting to see this type of argument here on a forum composed mostly of IT professionals, many of whom don't have a college degree. College education has never been the only way to get ahead; these days it's not even a way to get ahead unless you major in a STEM discipline. I can't be the only one who knows coffee shop managers with degrees who are still there because they can't get a real job.Yeah, the "free college education" stuff has done a lot of harm. I couldn't say if it's done more of that than good, but it may go that way. There's no excuse for billions of dollars worth of "studies" degrees. A society that can come up with a masters degree in puppetry probably has its best days behind it, alas.
Oh, I know all sorts of people with a college degree that ultimately ended up being worth far less than the paper it was printed on. My wife got hers in "English Lit." Which is a whole WTF in itself. She thought it would help her get a job as a reporter not really understanding that that particular industry was going into the toilet and the pay is crap. She ended up getting a job earning 3 times what a editor does by switching to IT - she applied on a lark and was clear with the interviewers that she had no idea what IT was. Her job was to copy/paste SQL statements and run them across various servers. She was there for two years and never during that time did she bother learning what SQL even stood for. Amazing really. Until you realize that sort of crap happens all the time when foreign companies have divisions over here and are forced to hire a certain percentage of the natives.
But I digress.
Point is, yes, with my idea there absolutely should be a whitelist of acceptable degrees. Namely ones that the industry believes will be in demand within the next 5 to 10 years. If someone is going to school on my dime then I want it to be worth it. A fully functional tax paying member of society would be the goal.
@HardwareGeek said:
@El_Heffe said:If a man and woman get married in West Virgina and then get divorced in California, are they still legally brother and sister?Sorry to spoil the stereotype and joke with facts, but West Virgina is less legally tolerant1 of close-relative marriages than much of the rest of the world. It is one of the 302 US states that forbids 1st cousins (never mind brothers and sisters) from marrying. It is not as restrictive as some states (it is a criminal offense in 8 states), but there are 202 states in which it is legal. BTW, cousin marriage is legal in every other country in the Americas, western Europe, most of eastern Europe, Russia, northern Africa, Middle East, southern Africa, Australia, Japan, ...1 Of course, legal tolerance and cultural tolerance are not always perfectly aligned.
2 Five states straddle the fence, either forbidding it with exceptions or allowing it with restrictions.
It had to be legal in Europe and everywhere else. That was the only way "Royalty" could survive. Otherwise they'd all be "in and out laws".
@boomzilla said:
It's not really necessary for the WTF, but it makes it a bit richer, and gives us stuff to argue about (which is really the most important thing for a sidebar post). It's kind of like the President's daughter, but more relevant and better done, IMHO. I think a more relevant criticism of the OP would focus on his lack of paragraphs. Paragraphs, man! Hitting the quote button, I see line breaks, so I assume he's using chrome and not caring enough about his readers to add the tags, the selfish bastard.
@boomzilla: Thanks for getting "it" and the praise. My original post was a copy / paste job from notes on my iPhone. Apparently the paragraph breaks didn't make it and for some reason I'm not allowed to edit my posts...
Anyway, getting into the whole minimum wage debate: there are serious issues that occur when the minimum wage is raised that most proponents don't even think about. Sure, raising it from $7.25 to $10.00 sounds like an awesome idea! After all, Walmart/McDonald's could just raise their prices by less than 1% to cover it so prices "shouldn't" be impacted by too much and those wage earners would be so much better off. So why wouldn't you do it?
The answer is simple when you actually understand economics: The main thing to remember is that prices are rarely, if ever, based on the actual cost to create and get an item to a retail shelf. Instead they are almost entirely based on the price that the market is willing to pay for it.
In 2012 roughly 4.7% of hourly workers in the US were paid at, or below, minimum wage. This is a significant number of people who are buying groceries, gas and other essentials. Typically within one to two month's after a minimum wage increase the prices paid for those essentials goes up. Why? Because there is now more money in the system and producers take advantage of the fact. Every single time more money is pumped into the system whether through min wage increases, lowered restrictions on gaining credit or even straight up hand outs then prices rise.
A minimum wage worker usually has a period of about two months after getting the raise before they are right back to where they started with regards to buying power. Sometimes they are even worse off as they don't realize things are going to return to normal and make stupid decisions during this time. In other words, you really aren't doing them a favor by raising rates. Oh, you'll get the popular vote because the idea sounds great; but it's a very short term "patch" which is why the timing of the past increases should be interesting to voters...
This effect was seen on an enormous scale when the ability to obtain mortgages in the US was increased into the stupid area. The combination of more people being able to obtain mortgages plus higher loan amounts ( or lower monthly payments depending upon your perspective) encouraged house prices to skyrocket. After all if you were previously paying around $1000/month for a $100k house and now you can pay $1000/month for a $200k house then pretty soon house prices double. The crash happened when the fine print on those crazy mortgage instruments starting kicking in (such as increased APR after 3/6/10 years, repayment of actual loan - not just interest - starting at 5 years) and raised the monthly payments to where they should have been to begin with caused a glut of homes to be put up for sale and, therefore, lowered prices into a death spiral. Not only was this completely foreseeable but two companies I worked with during this period had plans in place to capitalize on the downward spiraling event several years prior to it happening.
That said, the absolute best way to help the poor is to provide a mechanism that they can optionally take advantage of in order to better their situation. One example is free university education combined with free child care - with a requirement for making forward progress at school. I'd even go so far as paying for food and housing while they were going to school. This would be a huge benefit and ultimately the right thing to do as teaching a man to fish is far better than handing him one every Tuesday. The thing to remember though is that only some lower income people will take this path... after all, it's hard work to better yourself and a great many of them simply aren't interested in anything other than forcing others to pay for their life. Bread and Circuses and all that.
So, yes, I poke fun at American Liberals as most of them seem to encourage hand outs from "Them" with little or no personal responsibility. Then again, I also frequently poke fun at American Conservatives as most of them seem to just not get what it actually takes for someone to pull themselves up by the bootstraps. Both of those groups have lost sight of what it really takes to encourage and maintain a healthy growth path for the country. And no, I'm not a communist or tea partier either. I'm just a guy who knows what it takes to build something and has a few ideas on how others can do the same.
@toon said:
The other day, I got one of those LinkedIn mail messages from a recruiter, telling me how my LinkedIn profile had aroused her interest, ...
How aroused was she? Like she's ready for you to take action or more like she's willing to try talking to you a bit more before deciding to consummate the deal?
@El_Heffe said:
I'm not sure which is the bigger WTF -- claiming that the Xbox can be used for business, actually trying to do it and being surprised that it doesn't actually work or the fact that the Xbox is essentially an x86-based PC that can't do routine things because of weird limitiations.
So why is it you people continue buying consoles when regular PC's are better?
@Ben L. said:
Alright, I'll bite. What letter grade would you assign to NaN%?
Is this like the various country date formatting where the numbers aren't in the place you expect them? In other words, is it that he received 0 out of 20 possible points? At which point the WTF is the grading system that simply doesn't call people the failures they really are.
@swayde said:
@Monomelodies said:2. The site crashes Safari on iOS - after some digging, I found it was displaying around 1800 markers on a Google map. Twice. I can imagine Safari not being too happy about that.
This is 70 000 markers (in chrome and on a desktop). This is not relevant, but i wanted to share. As far as i remember there was no real problems until i hit around 0.5 mil points.
Is that a map of all the Starbucks in your country? Or are the vikings massing for another attack?
@garrywong said:
QA: I can't mute this app.
ME: Yes, there is currently no mute button in this app.
QA: But I want to mute this app!
ME: You will have to make a ticket for developers to work on that.
QA: That will take too long. We should be able to mute our browsers, can you fix that for me?
^WTFTRWTF: There will likely never be a mute button for the app, because it is being ported from a mobile version of the app, which didn't have a mute button either, which was reskinned from yet another mobile app which never had a mute button to begin with.
No, TRWTF is that you didn't lean over and shut off the speakers. Let them know that the "mute" option is built into their PC.
I own a small business. My in-laws, bless their liberal hearts, know this. Everything from the coffee my employees drink to the electricity that powers our computers and phones is paid for by me.
A few weeks ago I needed to go out of town for business. When my wife was mildly complaining to her mom that she hates it when I go out of town her mother said, and I quote, "well, I think They ought to pay for you to go with him"
Hoping she was misunderstanding, my wife asked who the mysterious "They" were. My mother in-law, with a straight face said, well the company of course.
My wife then explained that we owned the company and every dollar it spent was a dollar out of our pockets. To which this dimwit replied, "I know that dear but I'm sure he could just explain to his boss that it would be nice if you could go with him this once. I'm sure They would be willing to pay for it."
By way of background this woman is a 58 year old public school teacher. No, she doesn't have Alzheimer's. She simply suffers from that liberal disease which believes there is some incredible entity known as "They" which pays for everything.
I simply don't have the words to convey the true depth of my inability to understand Them. No wonder this country is fucked.
So, Yet! Another! Weak! CEO!?
Here's how a memo like that should read:
"As of midnight tonight all traces of Outlook will be purged from machines connected to our corporate network as part of our new group policy rollout. Also, access to gmail will be blocked at the network layer. For those that insist upon using an email client other than the one we have developed, HR has a box ready for your effects."
@MoSlo said:
We received a quick response from their top IT guy saying only the following: "This is not possible."Turns out he had no real reason to lock down access to a path intended to be used in this way but that didn't stop the uphill battle that followed.
TRWTF is that the IT guy should have said, "This is not feasible." Then it would have been far easier for him to squash your petty insistence on using that area.
@PedanticCurmudgeon said:
Go find a place to work that isn't run by idiots?
Any idea where that may be?
So.. are his dreams responsible for the Win 8 UI? I'd like to hope that one day I'll wake up and find that it was all just a bad dream.
I've seen a lot of this.
The worst is when the "source code" is only located on the production web server. If you need to make a change, you change it in production.
@anonymous234 said:
I had a motherboard that would say, when booting, in a lovely female voice: "System completed power on self test. Computer now booting from operating system." Thank god it could be disabled.
That sounds awesome. Which MB?
Office simply works so we stick with it.
Outlook 2013 -- now that is a giant step backwards into stupid land.
We don't hire people from partners. We also do not hire competitors employees. It's just better that way for all involved.
However, we have had competitors try to hire our people away.... and I did encourage one of those deals. The person was damaged goods and was a bigger help to us by going to work for them. -- no, that person didn't feed us any information. They were just that bad.
@The_Assimilator said:
The cherry on top (of the turd) is that this code was - allegedly - QA'd and signed off by one of our most senior developers, a guy who has been with the company over a decade and is now pushing to be promoted to a "software architect". While the juniors hold some blame for creating this mess, he's the guy who said it wasn't a mess.
Sorry, but your "most senior developer" has been there for over 10 years? That's the first WTF. The second is that this person hasn't been promoted yet? That's strike 2.
If you are working somewhere where a dev is still there as a dev after 10 years then there is a serious problem. He should have been promoted or fired a long long time ago.
@gu3st said:
The first rule of people who claim that they know JavaScript is that they don't actually know JavaScript.
I've been a web dev for way too many years. In my time the amount of JavaScript I've actually had to deal with is pretty small. When I need something like that it boils down to asking google, then downloading a jQuery plugin and moving on.
When I read the title of the post I was hoping that Oracle was going to finally cave in and wipe java from the face of the earth.
This, however, is a good start.
@TGV said:
@Ronald said:
This is not even subtle.They probably didn't know about this deal on Friday. Can happen. It's only a couple of billion. Fairfax's CEO probably read the news of the bad results on Saturday morning, and thought: there's a poor chum, let's give 'm a hand and all; it'll be splendid. Gave Blackberry a call around 12, discussed some minor details, and well, golly, by then it was late Saturday afternoon, too late for the press. On Sunday you don't do such things, and so they waited until Monday morning.Perfectly reasonable.
Sure, that may sound reasonable... but it is unlikely as hell. obviously you don't own a company; nor ever had.
A deal like that isn't put together over a weekend. It takes a few months and a LOT of sniffing around before an offer is made.
A more "reasonable" view of things is that sometime prior to the Friday in question (could be anywhere from a week to a month?) Fairfax made an offer to the board. The board thought it was the best thing to do and wasn't sure how to get this announced in a way to make people actually want to sell. A few hand ringing and soul searching days later and they decide to throw a bomb: "results will be poor". The usual sell off ensues and the chart shows the rest.
Our company makes various software packages for school districts, and sometimes we get some very special requests from our sales contact form:
Name: Tarun
Email: [not really going to put it here]
Message:
sir i need a fake report card of my school
So, one of our sales guys decided to do the "Right Thing(tm)". He emailed the kid to tell him the way to get a great looking report card is to study and do well in school.
Of course, we got an email back:
i need it for colege transcipt i will pay $5000
Well, the sales guy google'd the kids email address and found him on facebook with a completely public profile. The email trail was then forwarded to the school. 3 hours later, the sales guy was contacted by that school's admin to request a demo. Some things you just can't make up.
This typically happens because you aren't properly closing your connections in the code. So the main code fails but the failure gives the connection pool time to close out a connection and open a new one up for your logging.
It's .Net, so I'm going to take a guess here that you don't have the connection / command objects wrapped in using() statements.
Usually this isn't handled correctly when devs decide that creating their own DAL class which wraps the ado.net connection/command objects is a good idea. It's not.
@MyWillysWonka said:
Shall we assume misuse of an abbreviation in TLD as this is the Third Level Domain while TLD is usually Top Level Domain.
Good assumption, or rather subdomain. Chalk it up to being a programmer and not a network guy.
verb:
(1) the act of using ones own software.
(2) the act of directly experiencing the pain you have wrought upon others.
I have a web app that I wrote for others to easily create web forms. It's been in use at a couple clients for a while now without major hiccups. Enter a new client. Due to time constraints they wanted me to do the install and get all their forms online for them. Not a problem, or so I thought.
During the installation process I asked for a new TLD, which was going to take their IT department a couple hours to set up: (WTF #1). So, instead of waiting I just remoted in to the server and ran the browser locally to connect and start building away. The pages make liberal use of javascript, and IE 7, the only browser available to me on that box, is for lack of a better word slow.. However, I figured I'd just muddle through.
The first form had maybe 120 questions on it, which should have taken about 20 minutes to do. But, being done through remote desktop and using a slow browser, it took about an hour. Finally I thought, the first one is done.
I then went to the forms list and clicked on what should have been the add new form button.. Unfortunately, the page had not fully rendered when I clicked and after rendering the delete button was right where my mouse click was sent to. The browser then dutifully clicked delete.
poof. Form gone. No pop up asking for confirmation, just a blank list. I stared at that list for a full minute before I pulled up the sql explorer and saw that yes, the form and all 120 of those questions were gone. One hour of my life now unaccounted for.
Then I checked the code. Sure enough, there was not a confirmation box tied to the delete button. While wondering why no one had complained before and how I could miss something so small, I pulled up the IDE and added in the confirmation box: (WTF #2). Then I went ahead and modified my hosts file to mimic the coming TLD which I should have done to begin with so that I wouldn't have to remote in: (WTF #3)
Next step: implement a recycle bin...
@morbiuswilters said:
I believe the proper term for $0.15 in the United States is "Mortgage-Backed Security".
Perfect.
@AlpineR said:
But I have signed and been witnessed on many important documents in my life and never used a notary, so I presume they're worth something
All a signature says is that someone wrote on a piece of paper. It doesn't say that the other writing on the paper was there beforehand or not (think about blank contracts at car dealerships), nor does it imply that the person so named was the one who actually signed it. Further, it doesn't even say that the particular markings are the person's traditional signature. Which gets back to what I said before, an "original" signature is meaningless and, therefore, IMHO, a waste of time for something so trivial as a bill.
BUT, let's let the law speak here:
NH Supreme Court 1869 Howly v. Whipple:
"It makes no difference whether [the telegraph] operator writes the offer or the acceptance in the presence of his principal and by his express direction, with a steel pen an inch long attached to an ordinary penholder, or whether his pen be a copper wire a thousand miles long. In either case the thought is communicated to the paper by the use of the finger resting upon the pen; nor does it make any difference that in one case common record ink is used, while in the other case a more subtle fluid, known as electricity, performs the same office."
Ancient? Yes, but it set the stage for the ESIGN act signed by Clinton in 2000. Section 106 part (5) basically says that the only thing that matters is that it was done by a person with intent to sign.
If this ever came up as a legal question, their part in it would be much easier because all they have to prove is that I intended to sign that document as opposed to trying to prove that the "signature" was indeed mine.
So, explaining the WTF a little further: 8 years after it was passed into law, this company which incidentally has a .com in it's name, still requires someone to put some markings on a piece of paper.
@vt_mruhlin said:
3) I don't understand why Americans are so afraid of identification documents. Sure, there's the nutjobs who think it's the mark of the beast or whatever, but there's been plenty of other unfounded opposition to any sort of national standard for ID cards. Fact is a system like that would make it easier and cheaper to authenticate an ID, and would cut down on user of fake out of state IDs
It's called INS. Neither the "american" themselves nor their employer is exactly thrilled by the idea of proof positive identification. Best to keep things shady.
@AlpineR said:
There's more to a signature than the shape of the ink trail. *snip*
You're right.
@AlpineR said:
I doubt your client will ever have your signature analyzed. But the big boss wants it that way and the staff accountant is doing his best to help you pass muster.
You're also right that the staff accountant is trying to be helpful in a situation that was mandated to him.
However, in case you weren't paying attention the WTF is that they want MY signature on a document to prove that I didn't forge MY invoice to them.
Under what situation would I (or anyone else for that matter) forge MY own invoice? Either I'm billing $5000 or I'm not. A signature, "original" or not, has no meaning in this situation.
As a matter of fact, an invoice without a signature has exactly the same meaning.
@sibtrag said:
A real signed document is stronger evidence.
How so? Anyone can copy a signature by hand if necessary. Further there are mid range color laser printers that can reproduce documents in such a way that you couldn't tell one from a so called original.
I recall printers that Xerox had about 15 years ago that had to have a warning label applied stating that money was not allowed to be copied. The reason was that the only way to tell the difference was by the paper used.
@OzPeter said:
In general it works OK but I have had my frustrations with it due to the stupidity of some particular design decisions.
Such as "leveraging" VSS in ANY capacity.
@OzPeter said:
And this is where I started go .. ".. they didn't do that did they?!?!?! WTF?!?!?!?"
Unlike the time everyone else said that upon hearing of the VSS dependency.
@OzPeter said:
Who the hell thinks this stuff up? It seems like very little common sense has ever been applied to their design.
Probably the same person who thought of using the VSS installation cd for anything other than a coaster.
At the end of my first week on a new contract, I submitted a copy of my invoice to the accounting department. The invoice is simply a list of days, the number of hours worked each day, the total amount to be paid, and my signature saying that yes I did indeed bill you. In short, nothing special.
The entire thing, including my signature, is applied in MS Word and converted to PDF before sending. About the only things I physically sign anymore are receipts; which I've taken to just drawing a smiley face on anyhow as nobody really cares or even bothers looking at anymore.
This particular company doesn't accept invoices via email. No problem, I printed it out and mailed it to them. Upon receiving the invoice a "Staff Accountant II" sent me an email requesting the "original" invoice, stating that they had only received a copy. The following is the email conversation:
Staff Accountant II: Could you please forward me your original time sheet/invoice for week ending 9/18/08? What I received is a copy.
Me: I’m not sure I understand, I could send it via email. Could you clarify what you mean by original?
Staff Accountant II: We just need the original invoice. You can send it via inter-office mail.
Me: All I do is print it out and mail it. It's as original as the next one I could print for you...
Staff Accountant II: There is a rule in place whereby we pay from original invoices only.
Me: What are the requirements for an invoice to be considered an "original"?
Staff Accountant II: It must be signed.
Me: The one I sent you is signed. What are the other requirements?
At this point, the accountant did the right thing and just called me. The nut of it is that they need me to sign the page after it's been printed; he even suggested I use blue ink.
At least the coffee is good.
@merreborn said:
And that's exactly why a degree alone is never a sufficient indicator of competence forprogrammersanyone on anything
FTFY
@morbiuswilters said:
Jeff Atwood's new venture StackOverflow has gone live and already it is obvious this place is going to be a major source of TDWTF fodder. Take this, for example. The guy takes advantage of PHP's type coercion to define 7 different error constants which all evaluate to false and 1 success constant that evaluates to true. I guess he had never encountered UNIX "0 on success, positive int on failure" behavior before...
To get back on topic, I think the real problem with SO is the belief that a community of people will recognize the right answer when it's handed to them. Given the herding of developers from framework to framework, or down different styles (procedural, oop, functional...) i doubt that community voting will do anything but exactly what you said, "be a major source of TDWTF fodder"
@mrfox said:
their service costs $39 per month. I've seen all possible biling amounts other that this. sometimes, the billed amount is $78. sometimes, it's $62.79. or $106.31. or $0.00. sometimes, a rude reminder threatening to disconnect service arrives shortly after the bill - with, you guessed right, yet another billing amount. the billing period changes every month, too. sometimes it starts on the 7th, sometimes the 19th, sometimes the 26th. sometimes I get charged $54.99 for a single day of service.
Sounds to me like they are trying the new usage based billing on you. ;)
@astonerbum said:
I'm sorry I oversimplified, the global object is a dynamic object with functions being set at runtime from unknown locations.
Sounds like PHP. Lovely.
@Sunstorm said:
@astonerbum said:
To be able to follow a function I need to reformat it, and no formatter is available because this is non-standard file structure.You fail at reading code.
And apparently copy/paste.
If the responder is that close then s/he is screwing with you.