Copyright who?
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So a friend of mine was out today, on Skype, taking a photo and sharing it and since I'm on desktop with the Win7 client, I don't get the thing shared magically and whatnot, I get dragged to the Skype site itself to see photos.
In the footer I see this:
© 2014 Skype and/or Microsoft.
Do they not know to whom their site is copyrighted?
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Do they not know to whom their site is copyrighted?
Since one is a subsidiary of the other, they might well not know. It only becomes an issue if MS sell Skype…
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That just seems unnecessarily complicated.
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That just seems unnecessarily complicated.
You have heard of MIcrosoft's management structure, right?
All the org charts have a section labelled "Here Be Gordian Knots."
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An alternative interpretation: parts are by MS, parts are by Skype.
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// B*****ming lawyers, this seemed easiest print '© 2014 Skype and/or Microsoft.';
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That just seems unnecessarily complicated.
Exactly. Why would you ever write "and/or", when "or" already covers "and"?
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Because to everybody except coders, OR === XOR.
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Because to everybody except coders, OR === XOR.
That's the "natural" interpretation of or. However, in this case, "and" would then be sufficient, since it means (in the natural interpretation) that the copyright is shared between both parties. Probably just pseudo-lawyers trying to cover their asses. I'm surprised there isn't a "insofar as", "with or without" or "sequestration" in there.
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Because to everybody except coders, OR === XOR.
It's situational in everyday English. Couple of examples:
(1) Mother says to child "dinner is in an hour, but you may have one cookie or one candy bar". Mother and child both understand that "or" in this case is exclusive. Child takes one of each and mother smacks his little bottom.
(2) Employer says to employee "if you show up for work drunk or naked, you're fired". Both employer and employee understand that this "or" is inclusive. Employee shows up both drunk and naked and still gets fired; attorneys refuse to take a wrongful termination case that rides on the OR === XOR defense.
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Child takes one of each and mother smacks his little bottom.
Attorneys take a child abuse case.
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Employee shows up both drunk and naked and still gets fired
Employee was in the wrong job.
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> da_Doctah:
Child takes one of each and mother smacks his little bottom.
Attorneys take a child abuse case.
And if the father does it (and plays in the NFL) he gets suspended and possibly loses his job.
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Employee was in the wrong job.
A stripper would have just made more money, assuming they were not working in a prudish area. San Diego, I am looking your direction.
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@Intercourse said:
A stripper would have just made more money, assuming they were not working in a prudish area. San Diego, I am looking your direction.
<innocent> They need a lot of paint removing down there? </innocent>
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OR === XOR
Mo' like english("or") === programming("xor") && english("and/or") === programming("or").
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Now with legal support:
950: Looke v Parbury Henty & Co Pty Ltd, [1950] VLR 94 at 98:
“I agree that the expression `and/or’ is commonly an indication that the draftsman is not clear in his own mind about the matters with which he has to deal . . . .”
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They need a lot of [paint removing][1] down there?
Classical reference.
[1]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXiwYUCe_bY&t=2m29s
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@Intercourse said:
A stripper would have just made more money, assuming they were not working in a prudish area. San Diego, I am looking your direction.
¿Que?
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San Diego has (or at least had) a "6 foot rule". You could not be within 6 foot of a stripper while her naughty bits were exposed. Or at least so I heard, because I am a fine, upstanding, citizen and would never visit such a place in my travels...
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In Utah, it's a "6 mile rule."
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@Intercourse said:
San Diego has (or at least had) a "6 foot rule". You could not be within 6 foot of a stripper while her naughty bits were exposed. Or at least so I heard, because I am a fine, upstanding, citizen and would never visit such a place in my travels...
Oh, maybe. I do know that you can't have liquor in establishments that show the naughty bits.
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Its Utah, outside of SLC would you really want to be within 6 miles of one of their citizens that was naked?
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@Intercourse said:
outside of SLC would you really want to be
FTFYwithin 6 miles of one of their citizens that was nakedin Utah?
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Moab, Utah is quite lovely if you like off-roading.
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Park City, Utah has some really nice skiing.
I was there in June for a relay race.
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Park City, Utah has some really nice skiing.
Skiing is about the only sane reason for going to Utah. Can't remember exactly where I went; it was almost 20 years ago.
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In Utah, it's a "6 mile rule."
No one actually abides by the stupid rules in Utah. They don't allow public bars, so every hotel stay comes with a complimentary "private club membership" that looks exactly like every other hotel bar on the planet. I was in SLC on a Friday night and hundreds of twenty-somethings were lined up around the corner of the local dance club, waiting to pay their one-night membership (cover charge) to go to the not-bar and get drunk and hook up.Years ago, a store was brought to court for renting dirty movies in SLC. The courts use the normal "community standard" rule to decide if the movies were regular erotica, or illegal filth. The defense did some research and found that Utah has a much higher rate of renting adult movies on DirecTV than any other state in the country. So, they argued that the community standard in Utah was that porn was OK. The defense won.
Finally, since real beer isn't legal in Utah, all the horrible big names like Budweiser aren't popular there. However, low-volume in-state breweries are allowed to make beer with actual alcohol in it. Result: in Utah, the only beer you can get is the awesome local stuff made by people who really like beer.
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When I fly out to SLC, we just take the booze with us. A couple of 1.75l bottles per person tends to do the trick for a week or so.
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Skiing is about the only sane reason for going to Utah. Can't remember exactly where I went; it was almost 20 years ago.
Don't forget hiking, and other similar outdoor stuff. Probably three of the top five (well, maybe three of the top six) national parks I'd like to visit are in Utah. (Zion, Bryce Canyon, and Arches. The others on my list are Yosemite (been there once but still probably at the top), Glacier, and Grand Canyon. The Utah parks would all be in the top five -- maybe top four -- if I didn't get the sense they're somewhat similar.)
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Beerhive bar in downtown SLC is actually pretty amazing. Lots of craft beer.
They also have an ice strip built into the bar so that you drink stays cold.
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Finally, since real beer isn't legal in Utah, all the horrible big names like Budweiser aren't popular there. However, low-volume in-state breweries are allowed to make beer with actual alcohol in it. Result: in Utah, the only beer you can get is the awesome local stuff made by people who really like beer.
Polygamy Porter from Wasatch and some of the brews from Uinta are good.
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>HardwareGeek:
Skiing is about the only sane reason for going to Utah.Don't forget hiking, and other similar outdoor stuff.
I did say about the only sane reason. I would admit hiking and similar into that club. I would also consider family history research as sane, although so much of that is available online that it's probably not necessary to go to Utah. (The reason the LDS church has so much family history information I don't consider valid, but that's a different question.)
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Finally, since real beer isn't legal in Utah,
Every state should have this rule, if it leads to:
the only beer you can get is the awesome local stuff made by people who really like beer.