Welcome to the April Update!
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@dkf Speak for yourself.
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@dcon said in Welcome to the April Update!:
Oh, it removed HomeGroup on one machine
Thats because IIRC they removed the entire HomeGroup feature in 1803. It's no longer going to be a thing.
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@erufael said in Welcome to the April Update!:
Thats because IIRC they removed the entire HomeGroup feature in 1803.
Yes, I heard Napoleon was using the HomeGroup feature to keep the Grande Armée coordinated, so the Third Coalition petitioned Microsoft to remove the feature at the next major Windows Update.
Filed Under: Intentional obtuseness for fun and profit
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@erufael said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@dcon said in Welcome to the April Update!:
Oh, it removed HomeGroup on one machine
Thats because IIRC they removed the entire HomeGroup feature in 1803. It's no longer going to be a thing.
Luckily, I didn't use it. It was only on there because that's what Home version did. All my other systems are Pro.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Welcome to the April Update!:
Out of curiosity I booted up the office's HoloLens to see if it, too, got an update.
Well, yes and no? It's been two years (apparently) since it was turned on, so we'll see if I get to do another update after this update...
Why do you have a room themed around the
emoji?
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@boomzilla said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@dkf Speak for yourself.
Even if you don't use Windows, someone you love might. Talk to your family about Windows before it's too late.
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@erufael said in Welcome to the April Update!:
they removed the entire HomeGroup feature in 1803
Oh god why did Microsoft decide to use 4-digit numbers for Windows 10 versions
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@dcon said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@atazhaia said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@atazhaia I scheduled the update to happen at 13:15, as seen in the screenshot. Windows has gone senile and is implying something else, now saying I choose the time 13:21 instead.
Data loss doing a round trip conversion via floats?
Exercise: How few bits would a floating point unix timestamp need before it confuses 13:15 and 13:21 in May 2018?
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@lb_ said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@heterodox said in Welcome to the April Update!:
Win+Ctrl+Shift+B to reset the display driver
Every time my display driver crashes or freezes, it either fixes itself or the system is HARD frozen (caps lock won't even toggle).
Every time I have GPU problems on my computer (which is about 4-5 times so far this week) it's because NVIDIA GeForce Experience helpfully unloaded the Direct3D driver instead of doing the lazy thing and telling me there was an update available and not touching the update until I tell it to like my settings say to do.
Also, how many GPU driver updates do they need to release per week? Even 1 update per week seems a bit more frequent than necessary.
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@ben_lubar said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@tsaukpaetra said in Welcome to the April Update!:
Out of curiosity I booted up the office's HoloLens to see if it, too, got an update.
Well, yes and no? It's been two years (apparently) since it was turned on, so we'll see if I get to do another update after this update...
Why do you have a room themed around the
emoji?No fucking clue. I don't think it's one of the company colors either...
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@tsaukpaetra said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@ben_lubar said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@tsaukpaetra said in Welcome to the April Update!:
Out of curiosity I booted up the office's HoloLens to see if it, too, got an update.
Well, yes and no? It's been two years (apparently) since it was turned on, so we'll see if I get to do another update after this update...
Why do you have a room themed around the
emoji?No fucking clue. I don't think it's one of the company colors either...
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@erufael said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@dcon said in Welcome to the April Update!:
Oh, it removed HomeGroup on one machine
Thats because IIRC they removed the entire HomeGroup feature in 1803. It's no longer going to be a thing.
Wonderful. I don't have a domain at home and homegroup was the only way I got filesharing working properly between the various computers.
I see a PDC in my future. I wonder if Samba would work well enough?
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I received the update yesterday evening on my Windows 10 Home install. Seems everything works out OK so far?
The only annoyances were that logging in would show all the "can we track your location? can we send cortana data back to us? ..." consent screens, and the fact that the Intel HD Graphics control pannel reverted its settings to that horrible "adaptive screen dimming" again.
So far no extra apps have shown up in my Start menu, though I did run the following
regcommand to set something in the registry which might have done the trick:reg "add" "HKCU\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\ContentDeliveryManager" "/v" "SilentInstalledAppsEnabled" "/t" "REG_DWORD" "/d" "00000000" "/f"
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@ben_lubar said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@boomzilla said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@dkf Speak for yourself.
Even if you don't use Windows, someone you love might. Talk to your family about Windows before it's too late.
I'm taking the "ignore it as long as I can and maybe it will go away" approach.
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@ben_lubar said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@dcon said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@atazhaia said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@atazhaia I scheduled the update to happen at 13:15, as seen in the screenshot. Windows has gone senile and is implying something else, now saying I choose the time 13:21 instead.
Data loss doing a round trip conversion via floats?
Exercise: How few bits would a floating point unix timestamp need before it confuses 13:15 and 13:21 in May 2018?
2log(360) is about 8.5. Current timestamp needs 31 bits. Subtract one bit because the first bit in the mantissa is always implicitly 1. Makes 21 bits, probably? If I remember correctly a 32-bit float has a 24 bit mantissa.
Windows doesn't use the unix epoch though, and I'm not sure which one it does use. Something tells me 1900 but that's excel.
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@ben_lubar said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@erufael said in Welcome to the April Update!:
they removed the entire HomeGroup feature in 1803
Oh god why did Microsoft decide to use 4-digit numbers for Windows 10 versions
Worse, that's not even the version number.
>ver Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.17134.1]
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@cursorkeys said in Welcome to the April Update!:
Wonderful. I don't have a domain at home and homegroup was the only way I got filesharing working properly between the various computers.
Normal file sharing has always just worked for me... Oh wait, my server is Window Home Server, aka Windows Server 2003... (just tried Win10 -> Win10 - no issues)
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@boomzilla said in Welcome to the April Update!:
I'm taking the "ignore it as long as I can and maybe it will go away" approach.
Don't worry. It'll "go away" after it silently installs and reboots behind your back. Or more likely, in the middle of a game.
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@dcon said in Welcome to the April Update!:
Or more likely, in the middle of a game.
Good. The kids spend too much time doing that as it is.
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@dangeruss said in Welcome to the April Update!:
I guess you've never changed the date on your computer to be in the future?
No. Why would I do that?
For fun and profit? I remember doing it a few times for whatever reason, and I'm sure it happens by accident too. The point is microsoft can't trust that the file dates on your files are accurate.
Doesn't matter if my file dates are right or wrong. Doesn't matter if all my file dates are set to 1883 or 2759. It is absolutely 127.6% guaranteed that Microsoft has all the newest latest system files, and I don't.
Since Microsoft knows what they have changed, just copy those files onto my computer. Done. Worst case, they overwrite a couple of files with the same version and waste a couple of seconds -- a lot less time than is wasted unnecessarily computing the hashes of eleventy thousand files.
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@el_heffe said in Welcome to the April Update!:
a lot less time than is wasted unnecessarily computing the hashes of eleventy thousand files.
the big exception to that being repair installs, but that's not what you're doing anyway
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@ben_lubar said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@erufael said in Welcome to the April Update!:
they removed the entire HomeGroup feature in 1803
Oh god why did Microsoft decide to use 4-digit numbers for Windows 10 versions
Well I mean, after 9999 it will become a five-digit number, what do you have against every number from 1000 to 9999?
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Isn't build 1803 named after 2018 month
03. Plus the usual schedule slippage? That's how Ubuntu versioning is done--Year.Month, isn't it?
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@benjamin-hall Oh... what happens in 2118 month 03? Are they banking on the idea that they'll have changed the scheme by then?
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@el_heffe said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@dangeruss said in Welcome to the April Update!:
I guess you've never changed the date on your computer to be in the future?
No. Why would I do that?
For fun and profit? I remember doing it a few times for whatever reason, and I'm sure it happens by accident too. The point is microsoft can't trust that the file dates on your files are accurate.
Doesn't matter if my file dates are right or wrong. Doesn't matter if all my file dates are set to 1883 or 2759. It is absolutely 127.6% guaranteed that Microsoft has all the newest latest system files, and I don't.
Since Microsoft knows what they have changed, just copy those files onto my computer. Done. Worst case, they overwrite a couple of files with the same version and waste a couple of seconds -- a lot less time than is wasted unnecessarily computing the hashes of eleventy thousand files.
What if you're installing an older update when you already have a newer version installed. MS wouldn't want to break your computer by installing old buggy stuff, now would it?
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@lb_ said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@benjamin-hall Oh... what happens in 2118 month 03? Are they banking on the idea that they'll have changed the scheme by then?
I think that if they're worried about Windows 10 being around then,
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@dangeruss said in Welcome to the April Update!:
What if you're installing an older update when you already have a newer version installed. MS wouldn't want to break your computer by installing old buggy stuff, now would it?
Shirley, they must write somewhere what patches are applied, like in the registry
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@dangeruss said in Welcome to the April Update!:
MS wouldn't want to break your computer by installing old buggy stuff, now would it?
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@benjamin-hall That is correct. Windows used the 3rd month for this one because that's the month the build set for release was made. Except in the end it wasn't because it was delayed and re-built in April, but whatever.
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@boomzilla said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@dcon said in Welcome to the April Update!:
Or more likely, in the middle of a game.
Good. The kids spend too much time doing that as it is.
NVIDIA will helpfully uninstall your graphics driver if you don't play video games for an extended (read: approximately 1 hour) amount of time.
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@cursorkeys said in Welcome to the April Update!:
I see a PDC in my future. I wonder if Samba would work well enough?
Yes, it should. If you already have a NAS of some sort it's likely they might even have the necessary configuration available to do it too...
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@boomzilla said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@kt_ That seems wise.
Ok, so today I decided to risk it all. Clicked "restart and update" and… 20 minutes later I had an updated working system with no issues found, as of yet.
I must be in the lucky group.
On the other hand on my laptop I can't update to 1803. It fails with a strange error. Tried fixing that but no luck, yet. Probably will try again tomorrow.
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@timebandit said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@heterodox said in Welcome to the April Update!:
Win+Ctrl+Shift+B to reset the display driver
Hooray for discoverability
Ctrl+alt+backspace, anyone?
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@kt_ said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@timebandit said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@heterodox said in Welcome to the April Update!:
Win+Ctrl+Shift+B to reset the display driver
Hooray for discoverability
Ctrl+alt+backspace, anyone?
Ctrl+alt+Ins!
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@jbert why use
reganymore? PowerShell can access the registry just like a filesystem.
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@pie_flavor said in Welcome to the April Update!:
TIL how to reset the graphics driver, thanks @heterodox. That actually would have come in handy about a million times on other computers - you have no idea what shenanigans TF2 likes to play on underpowered computers.
This actually worked just now, twice in a thirty minute span. Meanwhile, the third one was actually a complete computer freeze. Methinks it's time to run a RAM check.
Edit: Zero issues.
is causing my computer to freeze?
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@pie_flavor said in Welcome to the April Update!:
@jbert why use
reganymore? PowerShell can access the registry just like a filesystem.My "dotfiles" repo is built on a tool called homemaker which IIRC happens to run its commands using
cmd.exe, and I didn't want to put the PowerShell interpreter in between for the simple stuff.
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@pie_flavor said in Welcome to the April Update!:
is causing my computer to freeze?
I blame Spectre and Meltdown "mitigation" patches. I blame the same for the random weird glitches that (for a few milliseconds) convinces perforce server that all the files are broken magically.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Welcome to the April Update!:
I blame Spectre and Meltdown "mitigation" patches
The patches are successful, they can't read your computer's memory while it's frozen
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@ben_lubar said in Welcome to the April Update!:
Not locking running executables by filename so programs can update or uninstall themselves and so updates can happen while an instance of the program is running.
But then that would circumvent a security measure that Windows depends o.....
Oh wait, I just renamed the file.
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@izzion You missed Power Users then download the new version as soon as it is available and expect it to work perfectly. There is a REASON Microsoft starts with slow roll outs - that is the way most deployments are done in the modern agile world. I have NEVER recommended anyone upgrade Windows the first week it comes out. Would you have recommended someone upgrade from XP to Vista day one? Then why would go and force update to the latest Windows 10 version. These are the modern equivalent of a new version of Windows. Don't force the update and then complain about how it doesn't work with your stuff. If Windows Update didn't offer it to you, the might actually be a reason.
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@the_bytemaster said in Welcome to the April Update!:
I have NEVER recommended anyone upgrade Windows the first week it comes out.
Let some other sucker be a beta tester for you!
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@dkf Still more stable than an Oracle release :)
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@boomzilla said in Welcome to the April Update!:
I'm taking the "ignore it as long as I can and maybe it will go away" approach.
I'm still happily running Windows 7 (on a VM) and no-one can stop me. :D
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@topspin said in Welcome to the April Update!:
I'm still happily running Windows 7 (on a VM) and no-one can stop me. :D
I'm still quite happily running it on hardware. I'll update when Microsoft makes a new OS that doesn't suck. So far, 7 is the last one to fulfill that requirement.
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@masonwheeler Eh. I've been using 10 every day at work for the last two years. Initially, I disliked it enough that I did not upgrade my home desktop from 7, but the main objection I had has been fixed, AFAICT, and the others I guess Stockholm Syndrome has set in. If the free upgrade were still available, at this point, I'd probably go ahead and do it.
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@pie_flavor said in Welcome to the April Update!:
This actually worked just now, twice in a thirty minute span.
After it happened a few more times today, I have determined that resetting the graphics driver is a complete crapshoot - it stands an equal chance of making a beeping noise and successfully fixing the issue and of completely deadlocking the computer.
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@pie_flavor said in Welcome to the April Update!:
it stands an equal chance of making a beeping noise and successfully fixing the issue and of completely deadlocking the computer
You're running it on Linux hardware
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I believe I have narrowed it down. If the Chrome window is still focused when the graphics driver resets, then it will deadlock completely, but if another window is focused instead, it will reset correctly.
Edit: Confirmed. It's now frozen about twenty times in a one-hour period, and hasn't deadlocked once because I always make sure it's on another window before resetting.
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My Windows 10 April 2018 install is barely a week old and today I restarted on a whim (after a successful restart mere hours earlier) and booted to a black screen. BIOS is fine, but Windows boots to black screen. After a couple failed attempts it finally did its automatic startup repair which failed, and then I was finally able to get into safemode to discover that I had no idea what the problem even was. I ran chkdsk /F and restarted to let it do its thing, came back later to login screen. Everything works normally now but I have NO idea what caused this. Here's hoping it doesn't happen again I guess...
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