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  • 04-11-2012 9:52 AM

    Apple Fail

    So I had to update from XCode 4.2 to XCode 4.3. Right now XCode 4.3.2 is pretty much one-star rated on the App Store due to a huge number of performance and stability issues, but since some of our iOS devices we debug on got updated to iOS 5.1 we had no choice but to update XCode because 4.2 doesn't know how to talk to iOS 5.1 devices, only 5.0 or older.

    So now I'm stuck with force-quitting XCode a couple times an hour and relaunching it and hoping it works. And when it doesn't restarting the iMac usually makes it usuable for a while. But I digress. What I wanted to say is that the new XCode comes with an iPad 3 simulator. So I launched it and of course at 100% scale it doesn't fit on a standard 1920 x 1080 21.5" iMac screen because the pixel count is insane (plus you have window chrome and simulated buttons which add to the size of the window). So I check the options and the lowest scale option is 50%. And at 50% it still doesn't fit on the screen. No matter how you position it, if you want portrait mode a large part of the simulator is cut off somewhere. So it's practically unusable.

    Apple has the strictest, most rigorous, anally-rententive testing process of approving third-party software for sale on their App Store, but apparently not for Apple's own software. If they used the same process on XCode and its related tools the XCode team would not have a job.

  • 04-11-2012 10:36 AM In reply to

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    Re: Apple Fail

    Which is just one more reason why I stay away from anything apple.

    Apple is a self centered, vender specific, user shackling company that gets thier customers purely by emotion.  No they don't have the best product, just the best marketing.  Thier stuff is only designed to last about 2-3 years because they know they can get all thier users to upgrade to the latest and greatest on the next release, and you don't have a choice but to upgrade.

    This also leads to most of thier fan base (don't want to call it user base, because some of thier users are no longer fans, but can't seem to leave) thinking they are elitists in some way.

    (shrugs) I'll let them have it, I'll go with something a bit more open.

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  • 04-11-2012 11:02 AM In reply to

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    KattMan:

    Which is just one more reason why I stay away from anything apple.

    Apple is a self centered, vender specific, user shackling company that gets thier customers purely by emotion.  No they don't have the best product, just the best marketing.  Thier stuff is only designed to last about 2-3 years because they know they can get all thier users to upgrade to the latest and greatest on the next release, and you don't have a choice but to upgrade.

    This also leads to most of thier fan base (don't want to call it user base, because some of thier users are no longer fans, but can't seem to leave) thinking they are elitists in some way.

    (shrugs) I'll let them have it, I'll go with something a bit more open.

     

    That's why I built my own computer from home-crafted parts. It's easy enough if you have an unfinished basement outfitted with some simple machning tools you can get from a hobby shop, and some basic knowledge of metalurgy. The trick is to have enough ventallation when you smelt the silicon. Aside from that, all the plans and diagrams for circuits, transistors, etc, are on the Internet. You have no excuse these days to settle for crap like this from big companies.

     


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  • 04-11-2012 11:17 AM In reply to

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    KattMan:

    Which is just one more reason why I stay away from anything apple.

    Apple is a self centered, vender specific, user shackling company that gets thier customers purely by emotion.  No they don't have the best product, just the best marketing.  Thier stuff is only designed to last about 2-3 years because they know they can get all thier users to upgrade to the latest and greatest on the next release, and you don't have a choice but to upgrade.

    This also leads to most of thier fan base (don't want to call it user base, because some of thier users are no longer fans, but can't seem to leave) thinking they are elitists in some way.

    (shrugs) I'll let them have it, I'll go with something a bit more open.

    That's why I built my own computer from home-crafted parts. It's easy enough if you have an unfinished basement outfitted with some simple machning tools you can get from a hobby shop, and some basic knowledge of metalurgy. The trick is to have enough ventallation when you smelt the silicon. Aside from that, all the plans and diagrams for circuits, transistors, etc, are on the Internet. You have no excuse these days to settle for crap like this from big companies.

    I seriously had a guy try to convince me that he builds PC processors using his soldering iron. He's just like Topper from Dilbert though and needed to top me for building my own desktop PCs from parts.

  • 04-11-2012 11:22 AM In reply to

    Re: Apple Fail

    I've just completed an iPad app project which lasted about two months and I think I've restarted my Mac more times during those two months than I have ever restarted Windows in my lifetime. And the simulator is a piece of shit. You can't even simulate changing your connection to 3G, which can be important when you want to test requiring or at least recommending a Wifi connection for large downloads.
  • 04-11-2012 11:23 AM In reply to

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    Once again agreed.  But do not have to go to the component level.

    I can build my machine from parts bought, want a new video card, buy a new one with any standard machine, with a iMac, you need to replace the whole thing at once just to get a new video card.  Standard computer cost maybe $400 for a video card upgrade, Apple, it cost you $2000.  So don't get all pendantic on me, we know the truth.  Yes there are tradeoffs, but give me the choice and I can save money and get something better then what someone thinks I need in a package.

    I will relate this same attitude to the Amazon e-reader, they are the only ones that require you to upload to thier website in order to get anthing on thier reader, not even apple ipods require that any more(they used to so Apple got a point back when they opened up to let you side load your own stuff on easily).  Then of course Amazon will delete anything from your reading list they don't like, even if you bought it from them.  Go ahead, google the class action suit about this.

    Essentially stop trying to tie me in with limitations, this goes to both Apple and Amazon, make the better product while at the same time giving me freedom.  Let your product win because it is the best, not because I can't leave it behind if I want to keep the data I purchased or created. For example the Creative Zen as an MP3 player, probably the best MP3 player out there (yes this is opinion), and fully open with no DRM.  So few people know about that option because they don't have a cool marketing program, but it beats anything by apple or microsoft.

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  • 04-11-2012 11:29 AM In reply to

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    Re: Apple Fail

    KattMan:
    I will relate this same attitude to the Amazon e-reader, they are the only ones that require you to upload to thier website in order to get anthing on thier reader

     

    That's actually not true.  With USB (or drop-box, which you can sideload through USB) you can put whatever you want on there without sending it to amazon. Amazon has this "send to kindle" thing for trying to make it "easier" to get stuff loaded on your kindle, but you don't have to use it. In fact, dropbox is what I use 90% of the time.

     

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  • 04-11-2012 11:51 AM In reply to

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    Re: Apple Fail

    chooks:

    KattMan:
    I will relate this same attitude to the Amazon e-reader, they are the only ones that require you to upload to thier website in order to get anthing on thier reader

     

    That's actually not true.  With USB (or drop-box, which you can sideload through USB) you can put whatever you want on there without sending it to amazon. Amazon has this "send to kindle" thing for trying to make it "easier" to get stuff loaded on your kindle, but you don't have to use it. In fact, dropbox is what I use 90% of the time.

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    Then I will have to amend my thinking slightly on this, but they still have an issue with some material and still want to manage your reading list for you.  I had been told even by kindle sales people that the only way to do it was to upload to Amazon, which I refuse to do as they have no reason to store everything I may want to read, that's my job.

    I know they are a private company and can choose to sell or not sell what they want when it comes to books, but if they have something offered, and later decide to pull it from thier store, they should NOT automatically remove it from customers lists that purchased it without providing a full refund.  This is the basis of the current class action case agains them.  Far to controlling.

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  • 04-11-2012 12:16 PM In reply to

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    KattMan:
    I know they are a private company and can choose to sell or not sell what they want when it comes to books, but if they have something offered, and later decide to pull it from thier store, they should NOT automatically remove it from customers lists that purchased it without providing a full refund.  This is the basis of the current class action case agains them.  Far to controlling.
     

    I recall them making some promises about this a few times, and then broke those promises for some reason or another. It's partly why I still buy real books made out of paper (and no, this isn't me trolling, I really do buy real books!)

    On to Apple being open, I believe their move to Intel architecture has made it possible to use some standard PC parts, but I don't know for certain. As for Apple products, here's a little bit of my own experience:

    I have owned in my lifetime 2 iPods from Apple, both shuffles of different types. The first one was back in my Windows days, so installing iTunes wasn't too much hassle. The second was when I was using Linux, and I found it impossible to install iTunes. Apples support for this was useless, and once they found out I was using Linux, they ignored me totally, not even offering me a "sorry but we dont support that OS" line. I eventually found a way to get music onto this, but what the hell is wrong with the company? Every other type of portable music player of that ilk supports bloody standard file access, where you can drag and drop music using the standard file browser, whether that be Explorer, Finder, Midnight Commander or Dolphin, it just works. I'm sure that Apple can come up with a reason that it absolutely has to be this way, but if every other company can manage it, why can't they?

    Interestingly, the player I have now is a very cheap entry-level player from Philips. However, that £20 device has outlasted the iPods (whose batteries completely died and refused to charge any more)

  • 04-11-2012 12:44 PM In reply to

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    KattMan:
    I will relate this same attitude to the Amazon e-reader, they are the only ones that require you to upload to thier website in order to get anthing on thier reader, not even apple ipods require that any more(they used to so Apple got a point back when they opened up to let you side load your own stuff on easily).
    Which "e-reader" do you have? This is not true for the Kindle, and AFAIK Kindle is the only e-reader Amazon sells. All you need is the USB cable that comes with it, and the intellectual capacity to drag an icon from one HD icon to another.
    KattMan:
    Then of course Amazon will delete anything from your reading list they don't like, even if you bought it from them. Go ahead, google the class action suit about this.

    1) They can't delete content you added manually
    2) That happened once, ever. Jeff Bezos repeatedly apologized, said it was a terrible idea, and vowed never to do it again
    3) The class action was settled ages ago, and the "class" was only a couple hundred users, IIRC

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  • 04-11-2012 1:00 PM In reply to

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    To blakeyrat...

    Note that in a later post I have amended my statement about side loading the kindle after being told otherwise by a kindle owner.  The problem here is still that every freaking salesman I talked to said you have to upload to amazon to get it on there.  So nuff said about that.

    This goes to your next point abotu the class action, the simply fact that they can do this is a problem in and of itself, but now becomes more of an educational issue because apparently you can sideload onto a kindle.

    As for what I use, I did have a Kobo reader, but when I was looking to replace it I weighed my options and got a Toshiba tablet (yes one of the two you can actually replace a battery in, the other is a ASUS) and use the moon reader app on there so no longer tied to any other reader.  Though the kobo was nice, and real easy to sideload onto, a simple drag and drop interface and it would detect the new books, just like it should be.

    But this brings me back to apple and what another poster mentioned.  Why not just have a drag and drop interface if we can just load our own content?  This is a big deal for making this an easy process.

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  • 04-11-2012 1:14 PM In reply to

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    KattMan:
    This goes to your next point abotu the class action, the simply fact that they can do this is a problem in and of itself,
    A police officer can shoot me in the face. I trust them not to. Similarly, I trust Amazon not to.
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  • 04-11-2012 1:22 PM In reply to

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    Ok... so people slam Windows, Linux, and Apple.  Is there any operating system out there that people are not slamming for one reason or another?

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  • 04-11-2012 1:25 PM In reply to

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    blakeyrat:
    KattMan:
    This goes to your next point abotu the class action, the simply fact that they can do this is a problem in and of itself,
    A police officer can shoot me in the face. I trust them not to. Similarly, I trust Amazon not to.

    Which they have already shown that they do not deserve that trust.  Yeah I know, he said he was sorry and won't do it again, but what about the next time?  What about a glitch in the system?  Even so, with the fact that you can now sideload, it is now in the hands of the user to make sure they have thier own data backed up, not up to Amazon, so who cares if they lose it now.

    And no, I do not trust a cop not to shoot me in the face if his gun is out and pointed at me.  One nervous twitch and even if he doesn't intend to, he will.  They are running on adrenelin during the times they feel the need to do so, so I just make sure they do not feel the need to do so.  My usual statement is this, "A cop is NOT your friend, he is a cop, just do not make him your enemy."

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  • 04-11-2012 1:26 PM In reply to

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    Anketam:

    Ok... so people slam Windows, Linux, and Apple.  Is there any operating system out there that people are not slamming for one reason or another?

    Nope.  Good thing we have choices huh.

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  • 04-11-2012 1:34 PM In reply to

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    ASheridan:
    On to Apple being open, I believe their move to Intel architecture has made it possible to use some standard PC parts, but I don't know for certain.
     

    You can build an entire Mac OS X-compatible PC from non-Apple parts, but the license agreement for Mac OS X doesn't allow you to install it on a computer like that.

    Funny how Apple manages to make incompatibility seem like an advantage in commercials. I remember seeing one that basically says "buy a Mac, and you can use both major operating systems, while other PCs can only use Windows". I mean, technically they're right, but "all other PC manufacturers have a compatibility problem, because we made it so our software doesn't work with their hardware" is kind of a silly argument.

     

  • 04-11-2012 1:47 PM In reply to

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    Anketam:

    Ok... so people slam Windows, Linux, and Apple.  Is there any operating system out there that people are not slamming for one reason or another?

    The difference is that people who slam Windows haven't used it in a decade whereas the people who slam OSX and Linux have used them in the last month.

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  • 04-11-2012 1:50 PM In reply to

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    briverymouse:
    Funny how Apple manages to make incompatibility seem like an advantage in commercials. I remember seeing one that basically says "buy a Mac, and you can use both major operating systems, while other PCs can only use Windows". I mean, technically they're right, but "all other PC manufacturers have a compatibility problem, because we made it so our software doesn't work with their hardware" is kind of a silly argument.
    It's almost as if Apple was but a clever ruse to separate hipster douchebags from their parents' money and not a real software company.

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  • 04-11-2012 8:10 PM In reply to

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    Re: Apple Fail

    Fun fact: my first real contact with Mac OS was the day they announced Steve Job's death.

     

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  • 04-11-2012 10:06 PM In reply to

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    Anketam:

    Ok... so people slam Windows, Linux, and Apple.  Is there any operating system out there that people are not slamming for one reason or another?

    OS/2? BeOS? AIX? DR-DOS?
  • 04-11-2012 11:44 PM In reply to

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    Re: Apple Fail

    briverymouse:
    You can build an entire Mac OS X-compatible PC from non-Apple parts, but the license agreement for Mac OS X doesn't allow you to install it on a computer like that.
     

    I seem to remember the wording was something like "only install on an Apple-labeled computer" so if you put an Apple label on your Gigabyte-powered Antec case it should be ok? :)

    morbiuswilters:
    The difference is that people who slam Windows haven't used it in a decade whereas the people who slam OSX and Linux have used them in the last month.

    I think you swapped them over there. People slam OSX because it only runs on limited hardware and slam Linux because it only completely works on a subset of hardware that "works" with Windows.

    FTR I use all three virtually every day and love/hate them all! My netbook runs better on Ubuntu than Windows (Main advantage: I can connect to 3G immediately on boot whereas Windows has to "read SIM data" for several minutes before it's ready). Outlook runs better on Windows than Mac, which works better than Mail (no matter how much Apple tries). XCode and Final Cut only runs on Mac (yeah, yeah).

     

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  • 04-12-2012 12:09 AM In reply to

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    Zemm:
    I think you swapped them over there. People slam OSX because it only runs on limited hardware and slam Linux because it only completely works on a subset of hardware that "works" with Windows.
    I did no such thing. There are plenty of legitimate reasons for disliking OSX and Linux that have nothing to do with hardware. Linux in particular is a shoddy desktop OS with clunky UIs, few apps, buggy code, ridiculous incompatibility between distros, silly restrictions imposed by ideological purity and a user-hostile community which thinks "RTFM" and "You have the source, if it doesn't work the way you want just modify it" are acceptable responses to every issue.

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  • 04-12-2012 1:20 AM In reply to

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    LurkNoMore:
    Anketam:

    Ok... so people slam Windows, Linux, and Apple.  Is there any operating system out there that people are not slamming for one reason or another?

    OS/2? BeOS? AIX? DR-DOS?
     

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  • 04-12-2012 4:01 AM In reply to

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     Nope, I use Windows at work every day and Linux at home. The specs of the machine are similar, although I a wider variety of things on my machine at home. The Windows build is fairly new (less than a year old Win7 build) and my OS at home is Fedora 14 (comparitively old by Linux standards) and guess which one I have more crashes/freezes on? That's right, it's your lovely Windows. Kinda blows your argument out a bit doesn't it. The only way I could use this Windows machine every day and not have problems with it is if I don't actually do much work or just severely slow down my output. As far as I'm concerned, if the computer can't keep up with some simple work that I'm doing, then there's a problem.

  • 04-12-2012 4:05 AM In reply to

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    Anketam:
    Ok... so people slam Windows, Linux, and Apple.  Is there any operating system out there that people are not slamming for one reason or another?
    AmigaOS.

    OK, that requires some clarification. And considerable parts of AmigaOS did indeed suck, most notably AmigaDOS. (Please note that I lost track of what AmigaOS did around version 3.0.)

    Whereas AmigaOS was written in object-oriented C (for want of a better description), AmigaDOS was written in BCPL. So whilst pointers in AmigaOS were, well, C pointers, in BCPL (and thus AmigaDOS) they were actually shifted two bits to the right.

    But all things considered, and given that this was 1985, and that the competition was Windows 1.0, Mac System Software 0.5 and TOS 1.0 (none of which offered pre-emptive multitasking), its API was actually quite easy and intuitive to use. Things have progressed in the past 27 years, but I personally think that AmigaOS has been consistently underestimated.

     

  • 04-12-2012 4:08 AM In reply to

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    morbiuswilters:
    Linux in particular is a shoddy desktop OS with clunky UIs, few apps, buggy code, ridiculous incompatibility between distros, silly restrictions imposed by ideological purity
     

    Linux may have suffered from that, but now it suffers no more or less than Windows, MacOS is by far wins this though, as they have very tight control over everything, so it would really be them that has the silly restrictions. The main restrictions in Linux is the inclusion of some free but not open source software, because there are regional legal restrictionswith things like MP3 codecs, which have to be licensed, etc.

    morbiuswilters:
    user-hostile community which thinks "RTFM" and "You have the source, if it doesn't work the way you want just modify it" are acceptable responses to every issue

    To be honest, most of the community around Linux is very friendly. If you're receiving animosity, perhaps it's because you approach the communities as if they're mentally retarded kids. Be nice to people, and people are nice back. Be yourself, and people will be a cunt back.

  • 04-12-2012 4:13 AM In reply to

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    Re: Apple Fail

    ASheridan:
     Nope, I use Windows at work every day and Linux at home. The specs of the machine are similar, although I a wider variety of things on my machine at home. The Windows build is fairly new (less than a year old Win7 build) and my OS at home is Fedora 14 (comparitively old by Linux standards) and guess which one I have more crashes/freezes on? That's right, it's your lovely Windows. Kinda blows your argument out a bit doesn't it. The only way I could use this Windows machine every day and not have problems with it is if I don't actually do much work or just severely slow down my output. As far as I'm concerned, if the computer can't keep up with some simple work that I'm doing, then there's a problem.
    ok i'll bite the trollbait ... what are you doing with your win7 machine that it crashes every day ?
    (i run shittyadobe products every day and haven't managed to crash it once in almost a year)
  • 04-12-2012 4:21 AM In reply to

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    I use Win 7 at home (because its better for games) and Ubuntu at work (because I don't need to play games at work).

    Windows never crashes. I only restart my home computer when I have to apply windows updates.

    I can't be arsed to allocate the time for reinstalling the OS at work, but I really hate Unity and the new Gnome. (and the Windows 8, but that's not final version yet)

  • 04-12-2012 4:50 AM In reply to

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    Nelle:
    ASheridan:
     Nope, I use Windows at work every day and Linux at home. The specs of the machine are similar, although I a wider variety of things on my machine at home. The Windows build is fairly new (less than a year old Win7 build) and my OS at home is Fedora 14 (comparitively old by Linux standards) and guess which one I have more crashes/freezes on? That's right, it's your lovely Windows. Kinda blows your argument out a bit doesn't it. The only way I could use this Windows machine every day and not have problems with it is if I don't actually do much work or just severely slow down my output. As far as I'm concerned, if the computer can't keep up with some simple work that I'm doing, then there's a problem.
    ok i'll bite the trollbait ... what are you doing with your win7 machine that it crashes every day ?
    (i run shittyadobe products every day and haven't managed to crash it once in almost a year)

    Not a huge amount really. Outlook for email, Netbeans for development, Gimp & Photoshop for graphics, sometimes Flash, a few browsers (Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera, IE) and Konqueror for a file manager, and VirtualBox for running VMs.

    The only difference on my home machine is that the software that won't run natively on Linux I'll run inside a VM (the VM on Windows is a recent thing I've been messing around with, the XP and Win7 VMs at home I've had for a while for stuff like this), which should be adding more load to the machine and make it less stable. Oh, and I also run a few extra things at home sometimes, like media players for music/video, and Minecraft

    I can't explain why there is such a difference, but it doesn't feel like a hardware problem.

  • 04-12-2012 5:14 AM In reply to

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    Anketam:

    Ok... so people slam Windows, Linux, and Apple.  Is there any operating system out there that people are not slamming for one reason or another?

    Depends. Do you count "Every OS Sucks" by Three Dead Trolls and a Baggie as slamming the ones which aren't explicitly named?
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  • 04-12-2012 6:19 AM In reply to

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    ASheridan:
    Not a huge amount really. Outlook for email, Netbeans for development, Gimp & Photoshop for graphics, sometimes Flash, a few browsers (Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera, IE) and Konqueror for a file manager, and VirtualBox for running VMs.

    [...]

    I can't explain why there is such a difference, but it doesn't feel like a hardware problem.

    At work, on Windows 7 x64, I use Outlook, Word, Excel, Visio, Netbeans, Firefox, sometimes IE, Oracle SQL Developer, SoapUI and regularly VirtualBox. There's also Boing and Nokia's OVI Suite running. The machine often stays on (and doesn't get rebooted) for weeks at a stretch.

    It has had one BSOD during the time I've used it, which must be at least 1.5 years. Some strange behaviour was that it would very often do a chkdsk when (re)booting, but it seems to have stopped doing that.

    So, I think that either you have some really crappy drivers, or crappy hardware.

     

  • 04-12-2012 7:05 AM In reply to

    Re: Apple Fail

    Severity One:

    At work, on Windows 7 x64, I use Outlook, Word, Excel, Visio, Netbeans, Firefox, sometimes IE, Oracle SQL Developer, SoapUI and regularly VirtualBox. There's also Boing and Nokia's OVI Suite running. The machine often stays on (and doesn't get rebooted) for weeks at a stretch.

    It has had one BSOD during the time I've used it, which must be at least 1.5 years. Some strange behaviour was that it would very often do a chkdsk when (re)booting, but it seems to have stopped doing that.

    So, I think that either you have some really crappy drivers, or crappy hardware.

     

    I can't explain it either, but it doesn't feel like a hardware problem, the issues mostly seem to occur when I leave it on for long periods without a reboot. If it were a memory issue I'd expect more sporadic problems, if it was an overheating issue I'd wouldn't expect a reboot to fix it.

    Windows tells me the drivers are up to date. Experience is telling me this is some kind of memory leak, but with the exception of Firefox, nothing seems to be chewing the RAM. It just becomes unstable after a period of time. 

    Not trolling here, but I do think that memory management is better in Unix-based operating systems like Linux and MacOS. Don't get me wrong, Win7 is leaps and bounds beyond XP and 2K, but it does have room for improvement I reckon.

     

  • 04-12-2012 7:28 AM In reply to

    • ender
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    Re: Apple Fail

    Severity One:
    So, I think that either you have some really crappy drivers, or crappy hardware.
    Or crappy antivirus.
    Because 10 billion years' time is so fragile, so ephemeral... it arouses such a bittersweet, almost heartbreaking fondness.
  • 04-12-2012 7:47 AM In reply to

    Re: Apple Fail

     I've just had a bit of a d'oh moment, I hadn't actually considered that! It could be possible, as it's always chewing up cycles and memory, so it didn't seem to be doing anything out of the ordinary.

  • 04-12-2012 8:33 AM In reply to

    Re: Apple Fail

    ASheridan:
    To be honest, most of the community around Linux is very friendly. If you're receiving animosity, perhaps it's because you approach the communities as if they're mentally retarded kids. Be nice to people, and people are nice back. Be yourself, and people will be a cunt back.
     

    I was just trying to get a Linux laptop to connect to our wireless at one point and it always completely froze the system when I tried, so I went online to ask for help. I tried 3 - 4 different Linux forums and got flamed on every single one. (To be fair one guy on one forum was willing to help while everyone else pointed fingers and called me a stupid Windows noob, but ultimately he wasn't able to help me fix it.) Two weeks and tens of hours tinkering later I figured the issue out on my own. The problem was my WPA2 passphrase was entered in plaintext and needed to be hexed or hashed or something like that first, and then it worked. WTF #1 is none of the dozens of blogs/guides/wiki entries I found said anything about that step (well except the one on page 39 of Google Search results that actually worked) and WTF #2 is why would the devs just let the OS lock up instead of informing me that my WPA2 password was entered incorrectly? And of course WTF #3 was the reaction I got on the forums when I simply asked for help setting up a wireless connection.Typical responses included calling me things very condescending towards Microsoft, telling me to RTFM and then ignoring me when I ask where the manual is, telling me to get rid of WPA2 and switch to WEP, telling me I'm doing it wrong without telling me what part was wrong, and of course telling me five minutes of Googling would give me the answer when I had already spent hours Googling and could only find horribly outdated blog entries and guides from 2002-ish.

    Nothing personal against you, I'm just sick of people on this forum and others (mostly on others) telling me how friendly and helpful the Linux community is and I've never been able to find this "friendly and helpful" subset before. The last guy to tell me that was a self-proclaimed Linux guru on a non-Linux general tech forum, and he told me I could PM him if I ever needed Linux help. So I PM'd him on what should have been a trivial issue (my experience with Linux almost always ends up with "should be trivial" issues taking weeks to work through) and he never responded. I think he just wanted to make the Linux fans look less prickish, but of course he was still too much of a prick to help.

     

  • 04-12-2012 8:36 AM In reply to

    Re: Apple Fail

    ender:
    Severity One:
    So, I think that either you have some really crappy drivers, or crappy hardware.
    Or crappy antivirus.
     

    Especially if you have a classic spinning rust hard drive. Antiviruses bog those down so easily and I/O bandwidth for other software drops to nearly zero. Put an SSD in your system and suddenly everything's fast again and your AV isn't even noticeable!

  • 04-12-2012 8:53 AM In reply to

    Re: Apple Fail

    mott555:

    ASheridan:
    To be honest, most of the community around Linux is very friendly. If you're receiving animosity, perhaps it's because you approach the communities as if they're mentally retarded kids. Be nice to people, and people are nice back. Be yourself, and people will be a cunt back.
     

    I was just trying to get a Linux laptop to connect to our wireless at one point and it always completely froze the system when I tried, so I went online to ask for help. I tried 3 - 4 different Linux forums and got flamed on every single one. (To be fair one guy on one forum was willing to help while everyone else pointed fingers and called me a stupid Windows noob, but ultimately he wasn't able to help me fix it.) Two weeks and tens of hours tinkering later I figured the issue out on my own. The problem was my WPA2 passphrase was entered in plaintext and needed to be hexed or hashed or something like that first, and then it worked. WTF #1 is none of the dozens of blogs/guides/wiki entries I found said anything about that step (well except the one on page 39 of Google Search results that actually worked) and WTF #2 is why would the devs just let the OS lock up instead of informing me that my WPA2 password was entered incorrectly? And of course WTF #3 was the reaction I got on the forums when I simply asked for help setting up a wireless connection.Typical responses included calling me things very condescending towards Microsoft, telling me to RTFM and then ignoring me when I ask where the manual is, telling me to get rid of WPA2 and switch to WEP, telling me I'm doing it wrong without telling me what part was wrong, and of course telling me five minutes of Googling would give me the answer when I had already spent hours Googling and could only find horribly outdated blog entries and guides from 2002-ish.

    Nothing personal against you, I'm just sick of people on this forum and others (mostly on others) telling me how friendly and helpful the Linux community is and I've never been able to find this "friendly and helpful" subset before. The last guy to tell me that was a self-proclaimed Linux guru on a non-Linux general tech forum, and he told me I could PM him if I ever needed Linux help. So I PM'd him on what should have been a trivial issue (my experience with Linux almost always ends up with "should be trivial" issues taking weeks to work through) and he never responded. I think he just wanted to make the Linux fans look less prickish, but of course he was still too much of a prick to help.

     

     

    No two ways about it, that sucks. If you have problems again, I would say the Ubunut forums tend to be quite friendly and they are a good source of generic Linux issues too, not just Ubuntu stuff.

     

  • 04-12-2012 9:22 AM In reply to

    • serguey123
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    Re: Apple Fail

    Severity One:
    I think that either you have some really crappy drivers, or crappy hardware.

    Aren't drivers hardware as well?

    On a sidenote although I agree that win7 can use some improvements in some areas (for example some stuff is pretty much impossible to do outside the CLI), at least on my machine is rock stable, I have been using it for more than 2 years without a need for either reinstall or a crash.

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  • 04-12-2012 9:34 AM In reply to

    Re: Apple Fail

    serguey123:
    Severity One:
    I think that either you have some really crappy drivers, or crappy hardware.
    Aren't drivers hardware as well?
    Totally. But only when supercooled.
    this post is bossy
  • 04-12-2012 9:43 AM In reply to

    Re: Apple Fail

    serguey123:
    Aren't drivers hardware as well?
     

    Nope, drivers are software, written to interface with hardware. Hardware can be fine, but if the drivers for them are crappy, you won't ever know.

  • 04-12-2012 9:45 AM In reply to

    Re: Apple Fail

     Boom, it's getting harder and harder to have this open on my computer at work without people wondering why I've got "wank" written dozens of times down the side in large font, stop tagging everything with it! You're pushing it to the top of the tag cloud damn you!

  • 04-12-2012 9:48 AM In reply to

    Re: Apple Fail

    Don't you mean knaw knaw knaw knaw knaw
  • 04-12-2012 9:52 AM In reply to

    Re: Apple Fail

    ASheridan:

     Boom, it's getting harder and harder to have this open on my computer at work without people wondering why I've got "wank" written dozens of times down the side in large font, stop tagging everything with it! You're pushing it to the top of the tag cloud damn you!

     

    PROTIP: use the Not Read view, instead of browsing the subforums.

    It is better in every way.

     


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  • 04-12-2012 9:55 AM In reply to

    Re: Apple Fail

    mott555:
    Especially if you have a classic spinning rust hard drive. Antiviruses bog those down so easily and I/O bandwidth for other software drops to nearly zero. Put an SSD in your system and suddenly everything's fast again and your AV isn't even noticeable!
     

    Or just use anything that's not McAfee or Symantec.

    I hypothesize that Avast! is currently responsible for the 40% slowdown in startup time, but it's completely unnoticeable during usage.

    Back in the day, Kaspersky was very friendly on resources as well, but I don't know about current versions.


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  • 04-12-2012 9:56 AM In reply to

    Re: Apple Fail

    ASheridan:
    Boom, it's getting harder and harder to have this open on my computer at work without people wondering why I've got "wank" written dozens of times down the side in large font, stop tagging everything with it! You're pushing it to the top of the tag cloud damn you!
    Patently false. Due to "starting" with a 'w', it's always down near the bottom. You could always adBlock the tag cloud! :-D
    this post is bossy
  • 04-12-2012 9:57 AM In reply to

    • serguey123
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    Re: Apple Fail

    ASheridan:

    serguey123:
    Aren't drivers hardware as well?
     

    Nope, drivers are software, written to interface with hardware. Hardware can be fine, but if the drivers for them are crappy, you won't ever know.

    There is a very helpful discussion about this somewhere in this fora, check blakey opinion and his always helpful car analogies :)

    http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/25877/285015.aspx

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  • 04-12-2012 10:13 AM In reply to

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    Re: Apple Fail

    dhromed:
    I hypothesize that Avast! is currently responsible for the 40% slowdown in startup time, but it's completely unnoticeable during usage

    Last time I used it looked like winamp, I don't know if that is good or not

    dhromed:
    , Kaspersky was very friendly on resources as well, but I don't know about current versions

    The last good version was 6.00, current versions are shit (the pinnacle of shittiness was about version 7.0), also, the pig sound scheme is unsettling and has produced some comical retarded situations.

    It is very hard to find an antivirus that works and doesn't take your computer hostage, I tried Avira and found it tolerable

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  • 04-12-2012 10:42 AM In reply to

    Re: Apple Fail

    serguey123:
    Last time I used it looked like winamp, I don't know if that is good or not
     

    It looks like Winamp? What? You posted this in earnest? This qualifies a criterium in your bullshit cosmos?

    Fucking fuck, who gives a motherfucking shit what the bloody fuck it fucking looks like. It's a fucking icon in my fucking tray notification area and I fucking never look at the motherfucking thing.

    Fuck. 


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  • 04-12-2012 10:56 AM In reply to

    Re: Apple Fail

    dhromed:

    Or just use anything that's not McAfee or Symantec.

    Symantec stuff isn't that bad... I got a copy of Endpoint Protection (11 I think) from my uni for free and so far the only thing it's done that I don't approve of is complain about Snadboy's Revelation (which Malwarebytes also does, and every other malware scanner). Both agreed the other week that there was nothing nasty on my system.

    McCrapfee, on the other hand, I have seen obliterate every single executable on the hard drive because they were "heuristic viruses" - Word, Photoshop, IE, everything. It was interesting watching the little window scroll up with more and more EXEs. Modern-day Symantec\Norton products wouldn't touch anything like that because common stuff (Explorer, Word, Photoshop, etc.) is used by a lot of people and therefore not going to be a virus unless modified.

    I am partial to Kaspersky though, it just means that I would have to pay for it and I don't want to. Tried BitDefender because my bank gave out free copies of it, and it was promptly nuked after three weeks once it caused a BSOD. Couple that with the annoying antiphishing thing which was useless, impossible to disable and slowed my internet down, it's not very good. It was pretty though. The other bank gives out free copies of McCrapfee. (And for shit and giggles, ANZ give out free copies of AVG Pro. I shudder to think what they use for antimalware on their bank systems if that's what they're giving out to customers of theirs).
  • 04-12-2012 11:05 AM In reply to

    • serguey123
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    Re: Apple Fail

    dhromed:
    This qualifies a criterium in your bullshit cosmos?

    I can't be bewildered about the UI?

    dhromed:
    who gives a motherfucking shit what the bloody fuck it fucking looks like

    I do, but apparently you and the people who designed the UI didn't.  Excuse me for being a person that notice shitty UI's

    dhromed:
    It's a fucking icon in my fucking tray notification area and I fucking never look at the motherfucking thing.

    So you never opened it? That explain so much.

    For the most part antiviruses are among the worst software in existence

     

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