
Windows event log viewer


TheCPUWizard
 Joined on 04072010
 Posts 902

Re: Windows event log viewer
Sutherlands: TheCPUWizard: My intent was to indicate that it applied when the sltiples of et of numbers starts at 1 (or 0), increments by 1, and has a uniform distribution.
That's still not what it applies to. The distribution is nothing alike.
Of course it is. If you think I am wrong, explain how "1" could possibly be more common in numbers, if all of the numbers in question are: * Multiples of 5 or * NonPrime The increased probability of "1" (and other low digits relative to higher digits) applies when the distribution is even, but the range of number *may* be limited such that not all ndigit possible numbers are in the set, but a contigous range is.




Sutherlands
 Joined on 07242008
 Posts 1,565

Re: Windows event log viewer
TheCPUWizard: Sutherlands:
TheCPUWizard: My intent was to indicate that it applied when the sltiples of et of numbers starts at 1 (or 0), increments by 1, and has a uniform distribution.
That's still not what it applies to. The distribution is nothing alike.
Of course it is. If you think I am wrong, explain how "1" could possibly be more common in numbers, if all of the numbers in question are:
* Multiples of 5 or * NonPrime
The increased probability of "1" (and other low digits relative to higher digits) applies when the distribution is even, but the range of number *may* be limited such that not all ndigit possible numbers are in the set, but a contigous range is.
learn2read? First off, I'm not arguing what you're trying to pin me on. Second, {10, 15, 20} (just for a quick disproof, although this really doesn't have to do with anything).
Have you looked at the distribution curve for Benford's law? It's 30%, 18%, 13%, 10%, 8%... etc for the respective numbers. Find me one counting sequence that follows that distribution. Benford's law is for natural sequences, and is best expressed over multiple orders of magnitude. Things like... finding possible fraud on income statements. It has much more to do with exponential sequences such as growth due to interest than any incremental distribution.




TheCPUWizard
 Joined on 04072010
 Posts 902

Re: Windows event log viewer
Sutherlands: learn2read? First off, I'm not arguing what you're trying to pin me on. Second, {10, 15, 20} (just for a quick disproof, although this really doesn't have to do with anything). Have you looked at the distribution curve for Benford's law? It's 30%, 18%, 13%, 10%, 8%... etc for the respective numbers. Find me one counting sequence that follows that distribution. Benford's law is for natural sequences, and is best expressed over multiple orders of magnitude. Things like... finding possible fraud on income statements. It has much more to do with exponential sequences such as growth due to interest than any incremental distribution.
I am not trying to pin anything on you, and I have already admitted the use of the mathematical term "counting sequence" was incorrect on my part. MY point was that one must be careful what it is applied to (for example, with the number set I provided, you get a distribution of 50.00%  14.29%  14.49%  14.49%  14.49%  50.00%  14.49%  14.49%  0.00%  0.00% 




morbiuswilters
 Joined on 01152008
 In the face of every Euchlidon...
 Posts 11,439

Re: Windows event log viewer
TheCPUWizard: In the USA these range from 5mph to 75mph...
Texas has a few roads with 80mph speed limits. And they have the statutory ability to set 85mph limits, the highway department just has yet to do so.
You're next, Mars!   


Sutherlands
 Joined on 07242008
 Posts 1,565

Re: Windows event log viewer
TheCPUWizard:
(for example, with the number set I provided, you get a distribution of
50.00% 
14.29% 
14.49% 
14.49% 
14.49% 
50.00% 
14.49% 
14.49% 
0.00% 
0.00% 
I'm confused... you're saying this DOES follow Benford's law, which has a distribution of 30%, 18%, 13%, 10%, 8%...?




TheCPUWizard
 Joined on 04072010
 Posts 902

Re: Windows event log viewer
Sutherlands: TheCPUWizard:
(for example, with the number set I provided, you get a distribution of
50.00% 
14.29% 
14.49% 
14.49% 
14.49% 
50.00% 
14.49% 
14.49% 
0.00% 
0.00% 
I'm confused... you're saying this DOES follow Benford's law, which has a distribution of 30%, 18%, 13%, 10%, 8%...?
I am saying that they do NOT follow Benford's law (because it is an attempt to inappropriately apply the law to this set of numbers). 50% of all numbers in this set wil contain a "0". 50% will contain a "5". 14.49% will contain (each) a "1,2,3,4,5,6,7" and none (Morbius's Texas comment being ignored) will contain an "8" or "9". Therefore if one analyzed the data, found that it did not follow the distribution of Benford's law, and therefore treated it as "fraudulent data" they would be totally offbase.




Peraninth
 Joined on 01122012
 Posts 61

Re: Windows event log viewer
morbiuswilters:
Texas has a few roads with 80mph speed limits. And they have the statutory ability to set 85mph limits, the highway department just has yet to do so.
I think they just got rid of the night time speed limits too.




barrabus
 Joined on 01112012
 Posts 17

Re: Windows event log viewer
TheCPUWizard: I am not trying to pin anything on you, and I have already admitted the use of the mathematical term "counting sequence" was incorrect on my part. MY point was that one must be careful what it is applied to (for example, with the number set I provided, you get a distribution of 50.00%  14.29%  14.49%  14.49%  14.49%  50.00%  14.49%  14.49%  0.00%  0.00% 
That's not even the correct distribution (assuming you are applying Benford's law to your speed limit example). You've shown the probability that a number contains a certain digit anywhere in the number, while Benford's law is (primarily) concerned with the leading digit.




TheCPUWizard
 Joined on 04072010
 Posts 902

Re: Windows event log viewer
barrabus: TheCPUWizard: I am not trying to pin anything on you, and I have already admitted the use of the mathematical term "counting sequence" was incorrect on my part. MY point was that one must be careful what it is applied to (for example, with the number set I provided, you get a distribution of 50.00%  14.29%  14.49%  14.49%  14.49%  50.00%  14.49%  14.49%  0.00%  0.00% 
That's not even the correct distribution (assuming you are applying Benford's law to your speed limit example). You've shown the probability that a number contains a certain digit anywheret in the number, while Benford's law is (primarily) concerned with the leading digit.
What was previously discussed, was that Benford's law applies to all digits, but in the general case to a diminishing degree as one gets further away from the leading digit. What I have been illustrating is that application of this law may not be appropriate if there are constraints (known or unknown) on the underlying data. In this particular case, the fact that all numbers are multiples of 5, and that there is an upper bound, skews the probabilities for all digit positions, and even elimates any differentation for the first digit provided it is between 1 and 7 (8 and 9 will never occur) The application of any statistical (using the term loosely) analysis in a manner that does not take into account the undrlying data, is probably (grin) the single largest abuse, and responsible for much of the "numerical garbage" that floats around society.




