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dhromed — Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:22:01 GMT

Pre-chew up the food for the child.

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Zylon — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:10:51 GMT

Cassidy:
eating != swallowing.

Uh, yes, it is. Otherwise you're just chewing. Or at best, tasting.

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Cassidy — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:20:37 GMT

dhromed:
DOA:
Look, it's simple. You save the mother cause she makes for better eating.

A single bicep is a fine meal. How are you going to preserve the rest, unless you're with a group of 5?

eating != swallowing.

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locallunatic — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 15:30:20 GMT

dhromed:

DOA:
Look, it's simple. You save the mother cause she makes for better eating.

A single bicep is a fine meal. How are you going to preserve the rest, unless you're with a group of 5?

The freezer, or if in an actual survival situation rather than just an extreme event then don't worry too much about spoilage as something is still better than nothing.

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dhromed — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:06:37 GMT

DOA:
Look, it's simple. You save the mother cause she makes for better eating.

A single bicep is a fine meal. How are you going to preserve the rest, unless you're with a group of 5?

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Ben L. — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:41:53 GMT

DOA:
Look, it's simple. You save the mother cause she makes for better eating.

Wouldn't the child be more tender? And wouldn't you save the one that isn't tastier because it's easier to eat dead things?

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DOA — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:30:42 GMT

Oh man not another pointless, endless sentence-by-sentence argument.

Look, it's simple. You save the mother cause she makes for better eating.

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Zylon — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:30:45 GMT

TGV:
That's some high quality trolling. Wow. I see how you did it. Nothing as explosive as a moral issue, so you hop on it, make a bold statement contradiction the common sentiment, and, bang!, you're a successful troll.

Of all the stupid shit in his post, you single out the most reasoned part to go into screeching flailing spittle-spewing mode over?

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serguey123 — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:38:50 GMT

boomzilla:
now you're changing the subject.

How am I changing the subject? I'm just objecting to your pretense that I said that it was the only factor, because I never did and then explaining more about how they were a factor.

boomzilla:
if you're a species with helpless offspring, and you don't make an effort to protect your offspring, you're not going to be a species for long.

Didnt' I talked about this before? Are you going to make me repeat myself? Yes, humans as many others have some instinst in place to protect younglins however that doesn't mean that they were as valuables as today society deem them, that is why for example you had a bunch of them, one dies, you have another or why some where considered more valuables than others (in most cultures males were more valuable for example and females were considered a luxury only attainable if you had a male already). Anyhow, I'll be fairly busy for at least two weeks...

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boomzilla — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:20:34 GMT

serguey123:

boomzilla:
So, your theory is that a species that produces helpless offspring has managed to thrive only by developing a culture to take care of children?
Only? No, I never said that, but you yourself pointed out children's effect on society, and heck the only thing that we were better at that other hominids that we compited against was society, so it was a factor to say the least, see Neardenthals for example, in many ways they were better than us but they matured at 15, we didn't, the rest is history (we had sex with them and then proceeded to murder every last one of them). A simpler example, do you care for your children in the same way that your granparents did? Do you? Probably no, this changes as society evolves and it is different for different societies, is this that hard to comprehend?

Good, now you're changing the subject. I guess that's a round about way of agreeing with me without coming out and saying so?

serguey123:
So pretending than caring for your children more than for your wife is an universal truth or that is the better ethical choice without regard to the particulars involving what the society you live in values more is childish if not outright dumb

You've got it backwards. Sure, we can always find some pedantic dickweedish scenario, but as I alluded, if you're a species with helpless offspring, and you don't make an effort to protect your offspring, you're not going to be a species for long. This is obvious to most people, and is apparently part of our biology.

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serguey123 — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:10:06 GMT

boomzilla:
So, your theory is that a species that produces helpless offspring has managed to thrive only by developing a culture to take care of children?

Only? No, I never said that, but you yourself pointed out children's effect on society, and heck the only thing that we were better at that other hominids that we compited against was society, so it was a factor to say the least, see Neardenthals for example, in many ways they were better than us but they matured at 15, we didn't, the rest is history (we had sex with them and then proceeded to murder every last one of them). A simpler example, do you care for your children in the same way that your granparents did? Do you? Probably no, this changes as society evolves and it is different for different societies, is this that hard to comprehend? So pretending than caring for your children more than for your wife is an universal truth or that is the better ethical choice without regard to the particulars involving what the society you live in values more is childish if not outright dumb

boomzilla:
You've never come across as particularly stupid

Stupidity is relative

boomzilla:
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here about being a tiresome troll.

I did say in a pr... this is getting tiresome if not trollish

Re: Feedback

boomzilla — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:55:55 GMT

serguey123:
Wait... do you think that parental responsability is somehow ingrained in humans? How much do care for your offpring and what caring for it entails varies wildly in different cultures accross different times.

So, your theory is that a species that produces helpless offspring has managed to thrive only by developing a culture to take care of children? You've never come across as particularly stupid, so, yeah, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here about being a tiresome troll.

Re: Feedback

serguey123 — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:48:27 GMT

boomzilla:
serguey123:

flabdablet:
this ignores the whole issue of parental responsibility
Yeah but I deal in ~~facts~~ Juche, not ~~mythos~~ humanity.
Blech...this line of trolling is sure tiresome.

Wait... do you think that parental responsability is somehow ingrained in humans? How much do care for your offpring and what caring for it entails varies wildly in different cultures accross different times.

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serguey123 — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:38:25 GMT

flabdablet:
it's an ethical axiom, a statement of the values upon which the ethical reasoning I then present is based

And that is why I'm trying to reduce to a simpler problem where neither morality nor ethics have meaning and only raw value is present.

flabdablet:
Your own values may of course differ

Perhaps, but if we use a large enough population we might standarize the values.

flabdablet:
we would most likely reach different conclusions

I didn't say there was one correct answer, only that there was an answer that was more likely than others for all variations, and I concluded that that was the right one or the more common one if you like.

flabdablet:
The dilemma as posited makes it pretty clear that saving the child implicitly involves failure to save the partne

Yes, you have to chose one, abstaining to do so is not an answer either.

flabdablet:
then my ethical obligation is quite clearly to save the person for whose safety I have the greater responsibility.

But that is your own personal answer, valid only for your current society and that is not what I was talking about.

flabdablet:
Do you mean in this particular instance, in which case I hope this comment has clarified things for you, or in general, in which case all I can do is wish you well and hope for your continued ethical and intellectual growth?

A moral or ethical answer is easy, just go with the flow, I was hoping for more.

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boomzilla — Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:34:38 GMT

serguey123:

flabdablet:
this ignores the whole issue of parental responsibility
Yeah but I deal in ~~facts~~ Juche, not ~~mythos~~ humanity.

Blech...this line of trolling is sure tiresome.