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And the real WTF is ...
Last post 06-18-2008 4:15 PM by bstorer. 32 replies.
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06-16-2008 3:57 PM
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nilp


- Joined on 02-28-2007
- Posts 7
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A few months ago I took over maintenance of a custom inhouse content
management system. This was a new J2EE web application designed to
replace a previous PHP-based CMS that was gettting long in the tooth
and difficult to use with the amount of content we have to manage. The
original could have been fixed up, but management decided to start from
scratch so it would be shiny and new.
No, that's not the real WTF.
The new application was, naturally, a disaster; full of many WTFs, most notably the db update process:
- changes to the db were managed by deleting all rows in the table and reinserting them from the user's session cache
- the tables were of course locked for reads and writes during this process
- for some tables the update process would take a considerable
amount of time, considering there were thousands of records to be
reinserted
- during busy periods, several people would be working on the same data
- the db table locks would queue up
- it occassionally took 20-30 minutes for all locks to clear
- people would ask why their change "didn't take"
- many, if not all, of the tables were accessed by several other
inhouse apps, which would appear to hang when unable to access the
affected tables
No, that's not the real WTF.
Anyway, I was parachuted in to try to save this app (like the previous
two applications I've worked on at this company ... I sense a pattern
here) and the original developers "moved on" to other things. We
couldn't afford to move any more staff onto it, so I was a team of one.
At about the same time, we switched to using a new issue tracking
system. We all had a three hour training session set up, but I played
about with the system for a few minutes and decided it was close enough
to clearquest or bugzilla that I didn't need to waste any time on
training, especially considering the thirteen blocking issues I had to
fix.
Fast forward three months. I made a series of minor dot releases to
fix the most egregious server errors and followed up with a major
release with a fully rewritten data access layer and revamped UI,
fixing all 150 Blocking, Critical and Major bugs. A common caching
mechanism meant everyone was working on the same data set, and the RAM
footprint dropped to a quarter (no more OutOfMemoryErrors). Updates to
the db were now handled by actually updating individual records.
Removing drop downs consisting of 20000 items meant that pages that
once took minutes to load now took seconds. Operations that once took 5
hours could now be completed in 30 minutes. The app dropped from being
the top DB load to something that we could deal with.
The content team and db admins were extremely pleased - I got praise
from them and was called out at the most recent engineering all hands.
Last week, my manager called me into his office. "It looks like you only worked on the cms for five hours over the last
quarter." "Huh?" "We know how much you worked but we've set up a three
hour issue tracking system training for you."
You see, one thing people learned during training for the new issue
tracking system was that the engineering budget was partly (thankfully
not totally) based on how much time was spent on each of the issues.
The time was counted from when it went into "assigned" to when it was
"resolved" (plus "reopened" -> "resolved" if needed). I of course didn't know this, and since I was working on
the app on my own, I didn't care about stepping on anyone else's toes.
So I got into the habit of looking at an issue, fixing it in code, then
checking in the change. Then I would set it to "assigned" then straight
to "resolved" (you can't go from "unassigned" straight to "resolved").
So the 150 or so issues I'd fixed spent a total of about five hours in
the assigned state.
So, I have had 17 issues in the "assigned" state for the past week.
No, that's not the real WTF.
For saving the company thousands, if not tens of thousands, I got a $100 bonus.
WTF.
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taylonr


- Joined on 11-20-2007
- Posts 131
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Re: And the real WTF is ...
My senior year of college, the IEEE brought in some speaker. The only thing I remember this guy saying was "Engineering is not for the faint of heart. If you mess up, your miscalculation could result in injuries or even death. If you do a good job, you get a piece of paper to hang on your wall"
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dgvid


- Joined on 04-19-2008
- Virginia, United States
- Posts 52
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Re: And the real WTF is ...
I'm sorry to say that the small bonus is not a WTF. It's just how business is normally done.
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danixdefcon5


- Joined on 01-09-2007
- Mexico City, DF, Mexico
- Posts 359
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Re: And the real WTF is ...
nilp:
For saving the company thousands, if not tens of thousands, I got a $100 bonus.
WTF.
YEEEEEEEEOUCH!!!!!
I learned long ago, that 15-day bugs were more profitable than 1-day fixes. Of course, "mission critical" bugs would always get quick fixing, but some others would take days, even though the "fix" was actually done in the first day, and it was only a matter of doing a SVN COMMIT on the target day.
Somehow, when you actually do your job right and fix stuff up, or implement changes before the deadlines are met, you're either seen as wasting too much time slacking, or given even more loads of work.
Oh well, at least you got a $100 bonus, I know some people who have saved billions for a certain financial institution, and got nothing in return. Not even a bonus, or a day off.
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nilp


- Joined on 02-28-2007
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Re: And the real WTF is ...
dgvid:I'm sorry to say that the small bonus is not a WTF. It's just how business is normally done. It's $100 more than the bonus I got from my last employer for working 10-12 hour days, seven days a week, for four months to meet a deadline imposed on us by our biggest customer through a sales screw up. But it's still a WTF to me ... especially when management/executives expect me to be grateful, and don't understand why I might be so disloyal as to look for another job.
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DOA


- Joined on 06-26-2007
- Posts 299
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Re: And the real WTF is ...
nilp:working 10-12 hour days, seven days a week, for four months to meet a deadline imposed on us by our biggest customer through a sales screw up
I found the real WTF. If that had been me I'd have cracked and you'd have seen me in the news.
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pitchingchris


- Joined on 04-30-2007
- Elizabethtown, KY
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Re: And the real WTF is ...
dgvid:I'm sorry to say that the small bonus is not a WTF. It's just how business is normally done.
I understand where people are coming from with their argument, but I have to agree with you. The business is paying our salary to fix software problems. If those fixes pay dividends to the company, then they really don't owe you money, they paid your salary and you fixed the software. Some companies go out of their way to reward employees based on their performance, others don't. Its like an R&D department: the whole purpose is to try to make things better by the end of the day, that is the job. If they pay you a reward, be thankful, because that is simply their generosity and appreciation to their staff.
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nilp


- Joined on 02-28-2007
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Re: And the real WTF is ...
DOA: nilp:working 10-12 hour days, seven days a week, for four months to meet a deadline imposed on us by our biggest customer through a sales screw up
I found the real WTF. If that had been me I'd have cracked and you'd have seen me in the news.
Oh, I'm not so stupid as to do that now. Even while I fixed up this last app, I worked five day weeks from 8am to 5pm. I no longer work beyond the call of duty for this very reason. You know you're working too much when your 18 month old daughter points at a picture of a computer in a magazine and says "daddy!" As for the "you're only doing your job" comments, yes, that's true, but I'm going be more grateful - and I may even show some loyalty to the company - if I get recognition and a big wad of cash. I feel insulted that my employers think I'll be bought for what amounts to 90 minute's salary. I think I'd rather have just got nothing ... hmm ... nah, that's not right ... it's still $100 I didn't have before.
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upsidedowncreature


- Joined on 11-21-2007
- Posts 120
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Re: And the real WTF is ...
pitchingchris:The business is paying our salary to fix software problems. If those fixes pay dividends to the company, then they really don't owe you money, they paid your salary and you fixed the software. Some companies go out of their way to reward employees based on their performance, others don't
My business (the one I work for, not own) pays people to sell fairly high value goods to pretty big organizations and they get a hefty commission for doing this. When I've spent half the morning helping a sales manager with a powerpoint presentation ("how do I insert pictures?"), shouldn't I expect a cut of their commission?
Yeah, I did say it to the user over the phone, meh.
What if the hokey cokey really IS what it's all about?
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Eternal Density


- Joined on 03-25-2007
- Posts 283
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Re: And the real WTF is ...
nilp:You know you're working too much when your 18 month old daughter points at a picture of a computer in a magazine and says "daddy!"
Wow, you're right. I didn't even know I had a daughter.
Legendary ThreadYes my avatar is a fictional character, get over it. (Before she chokes you with her mind.)
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DOA


- Joined on 06-26-2007
- Posts 299
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Re: And the real WTF is ...
Eternal Density: nilp:You know you're working too much when your 18 month old daughter points at a picture of a computer in a magazine and says "daddy!"
Wow, you're right. I didn't even know I had a daughter.
Hmm.. this might explain why I found a picture of a kid in my wallet...
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tster


- Joined on 04-11-2006
- Worcester, MA
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Re: And the real WTF is ...
why in the name of fuck would you get a bonus for saving the company tens of thousands of dollars. Assuming you make $100,000 in salary per year, you have to generate at least $200,000 of wealth for them to break even.
The pig go. Go is to the fountain. The pig put foot. Grunt. Foot in what? ketchup. The dove fly. Fly is in sky. The dove drop something. The something on the pig. The pig disgusting... see bio for the earth shattering ending.
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nilp


- Joined on 02-28-2007
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Re: And the real WTF is ...
tster:why in the name of fuck would you get a bonus for saving the company tens of thousands of dollars. Assuming you make $100,000 in salary per year, you have to generate at least $200,000 of wealth for them to break even. Oh, I see where you may misunderstand me - through some brain fart I left out the "per week" in the thousands or tens of thousands line. Can't go back and edit it now. Besides, the saving is on top of whatever value I provide to the company anyway, which must be something otherwise I would be asked to leave. My job was to get the application working ... anything more is a bonus to my employers. So, where do I get thousands per week? Well: - we don't have to buy or lease new db hardware (yet)
- One person can now do in one hour what three or four people tried, and often failed, to do in five hours ... freeing these people up for other things, and meaning the company no longer has to hire extra staff to handle a simple job (actually, it's more likely a couple of them will be laid off, but it's a crappy job anyway ... it'll be better for them in the long one, and it's even better savings for the company).
- I fixed in three months what took a team of three a year to screw
up (actually that's what pisses me off most ... surely it doesn't take
a rocket scientist, or QA, to notice that pressing button X returns a
server error 100% of the time, or that deleting and reinserting all
records to update a single one isn't generally considered best practice. I mean,
these are experienced software engineers.)
And you can, if you want, calculate my real salary from my previous comment (hint: assume 2000 hours per year, calculate the hourly rate from the value for 90 minutes I supplied).
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MasterPlanSoftware


- Joined on 11-10-2006
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Re: And the real WTF is ...
nilp:So, where do I get thousands per week? Seriously, a bonus is a bonus. You should never expect a bonus. That is just wrong.
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danixdefcon5


- Joined on 01-09-2007
- Mexico City, DF, Mexico
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Re: And the real WTF is ...
tster:
why in the name of fuck would you get a bonus for saving the company tens of thousands of dollars. Assuming you make $100,000 in salary per year, you have to generate at least $200,000 of wealth for them to break even.
According to this "rule", my entire team combined had actually generated 100x what we were being paid. Still no bonus, even if we should deserve it.
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WeatherGod


- Joined on 04-19-2006
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MasterPlanSoftware: nilp:So, where do I get thousands per week? Seriously, a bonus is a bonus. You should never expect a bonus. That is just wrong.
Expecting a bonus is like using a RNG to generate an account number for direct deposit. You deserve the pay, but you are hoping that everything lines up correctly and the money ends up in the correct account.
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danixdefcon5


- Joined on 01-09-2007
- Mexico City, DF, Mexico
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Re: And the real WTF is ...
MasterPlanSoftware:
nilp:So, where do I get thousands per week?
Seriously, a bonus is a bonus. You should never expect a bonus. That is just wrong.
True. Don't expect a quick fix either, as anything going on normal rates, will be treated as normal rates.
While there are some support contracts that do include a "service guarantee" clause, this case isn't one of them. A bonus is a bonus, all right, but a bonus is a reward for doing things beyond your line of duty or being more productive than expected. I'd say that fixing the entire app would qualify as "exceeds expectations".
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MasterPlanSoftware


- Joined on 11-10-2006
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danixdefcon5:True. Don't expect a quick fix either, as anything going on normal rates, will be treated as normal rates. Seriously, this has to be the best example of what is wrong with this industry. Comments like this make me sick. Do your job. If you get a bonus, awesome, but this attitude is the worst I can possibly imagine.
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danixdefcon5


- Joined on 01-09-2007
- Mexico City, DF, Mexico
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Re: And the real WTF is ...
MasterPlanSoftware:
danixdefcon5:True. Don't expect a quick fix either, as anything going on normal rates, will be treated as normal rates.
Seriously, this has to be the best example of what is wrong with this industry.
Comments like this make me sick. Do your job. If you get a bonus, awesome, but this attitude is the worst I can possibly imagine.
Notice I didn't say I wouldn't do the job, but I wouldn't do it super-fast unless I'm getting something else. If the OP was doing his work at a stupidly fast rate for fixing FUBAR'd code, he should be rewarded for that. Not given a measly $100 for what would've easily been an entire dev project!
There are things you should expect to be paid more, you know? I once worked in a large financial institution which sure enough, would have "fix this, I want it yesterday!" situations. These were sometimes made in overtime, weekends, and even some of our days-off. While internal staff would get overtime pay/bonuses (hell, they even paid their meal expenses!), those of us in outsourcing didn't get squat. So the attitude for most outsourced dudes was "clock out, do it tomorrow" unless it was really, really necessary.
Another example: I once was on a 1-week vacation, in a small town where I couldn't even get my cellphone to find a signal all the time. My boss somehow was able to get his call through to me, and told me that it was urgent for me to pack, get back to office and fix an urgent issue with one of our clients. Never mind that said client was also about to close for the same week as my holidays, it was "urgent". However, even he knew I wouldn't move without compensation. I asked for $400, plus travelling expenses. He said he'd call me back, as he had to locate yet another co-worker for the thing. My coworker asked for $700, and all of a sudden, the "urgent" issue was not so urgent after all.
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MasterPlanSoftware


- Joined on 11-10-2006
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Re: And the real WTF is ...
danixdefcon5: I wouldn't do it super-fast unless I'm getting something else. Right. And that is wrong. You should work extra hard all the time, and if you get incentives, that is great. If not, you are still doing your job and getting paid. Anything else is just lazy no matter how you try and dress it up. danixdefcon5:he should be rewarded for that.
No, you should not be rewarded for doing your job. Your salary is your reward for doing your job.
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PerdidoPunk


- Joined on 09-17-2007
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Re: And the real WTF is ...
nilp:...working 10-12 hour days, seven days a week, for four months... Wow, I wouldn't do that for less than $150,000, and I only make $60,000 working 40 hour weeks right now. Time off is extremely important, unless you're really working on something you're passionate about. I doubt that was the case here...
Enterprise Software Design Lifecycle:
1) Receive business case approval 2) Leverage a dynamic solution 3) ??? 4) Value added = Profit!
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danixdefcon5


- Joined on 01-09-2007
- Mexico City, DF, Mexico
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Re: And the real WTF is ...
PerdidoPunk:
nilp:
...working 10-12 hour days, seven days a week, for four months...
Wow, I wouldn't do that for less than $150,000, and I only make $60,000 working 40 hour weeks right now. Time off is extremely important, unless you're really working on something you're passionate about. I doubt that was the case here...
Switch "four months" with " thirteen months" and you're basically describing my old job.
10-12 hour days, five days a week... but only on a good week, usually more. Contract states 40-hour weeks, do the math. On top of that, we usually had to do weekend stayovers, sometimes staying from Friday to Sunday without prior notice. No overtime pay there.
Oh, and all of this for a whopping $20,000 a year. Guess why I switched jobs...
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Physics Phil


- Joined on 03-09-2008
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MasterPlanSoftware: danixdefcon5: I wouldn't do it super-fast unless I'm getting something else. Right. And that is wrong. You should work extra hard all the time, and if you get incentives, that is great. If not, you are still doing your job and getting paid. Anything else is just lazy no matter how you try and dress it up.
Not really. I agree that you should work hard and not waste your employers time, but if you are employed on a 40-hour week you should expect some overtime/bonus or at least time-in-lieu for working 50-60 hour weeks as some of the previous posters have.
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