SpectateSwamp:

SSDS is fast from startup to shutdown.

 

 

Only because as soon as you start it up, you have to shut it down again because it kills your computer, freako.

HannahRochelle:

Only because as soon as you start it up, you have to shut it down again because it kills your computer, freako.

That's nothing.  I continually shut it down and I haven't even downloaded it.

SpectateSwamp:

VB5 worked great for SSDS

Pity SSDS didn't work great though.

SpectateSwamp:

I'm not so sure it would be as easy to create with VB.net I could be wrong.

VB.Net makes it difficult to keep on using. Poor programming practices. So in that respect it would be harder for you than VB5.

SpectateSwamp:

the source is out there now and will continue for some time.

The source doesn't even compile on any purchasable compiler- how will it continue?

SpectateSwamp:

Nobody has access to their video and computer data like Me and the Swampies do. With the defaults set. It's tapity tap tap tapity tap in and tapity tap to get out.

I can find my videos and data quite happily, I certainly do not need to go through the hassle of maintaining manual index files.

SpectateSwamp:

SSDS is fast from startup to shutdown.

 

No, it's not. I see you've already managed to "forget" the results of the grep trials, where grep blew SSDS out of the water by a factor of TWO. Remember that? How the egg hit your face and dripped on the floor for days on end?

The only thing SSDS beats, speedwise, is printing out the entirety of your search.txt on paper and reading it the old fashioned way.

SpectateSwamp:

Nobody has access to their video and computer data like Me

You're right, we don't. We prefer having our data accessible and sorted in a sane manner.

spenk:

SpectateSwamp:

VB5 worked great for SSDS

Pity SSDS didn't work great though.

SpectateSwamp:

I'm not so sure it would be as easy to create with VB.net I could be wrong.

VB.Net makes it difficult to keep on using. Poor programming practices. So in that respect it would be harder for you than VB5.

SpectateSwamp:

the source is out there now and will continue for some time.

The source doesn't even compile on any purchasable compiler- how will it continue?

If Microsoft was smart they would market it along with a copy of SSDS. For now I can do some VB5 builds for Swampies. If that gets me in trouble with Microsoft. Then I've found the target for my warmup dance. Evil doers and a big corp to boot. VB5 will be around for a long time. If I have anything to do with it. Any software change, that makes it harder to program using the old tested and true Natural coding as compared to UnNatural coding isn't a good thing. Long live VB5 

SpectateSwamp:

If that gets me in trouble with Microsoft.

It won't, in the same way that having a piss doesn't get you in trouble with the pacific ocean.

SpectateSwamp:

Evil doers and a big corp to boot.

Fuck off. Bill Gates has personally done more to help humankind than everyone you've ever met in your life combined. By contrast, you are an uninformed, uneducated moron, and you'd be lucky to even inspire indifference in your fellow man. Take your propaganda-fuelled "opinion" and ram it up your bearded arse.

Seriously Swampy, for a mentalist stoner new-age hippy "shamen", you know sweet fuck all about... well, anything. Read this.

SpectateSwamp:

VB5 will be around for a long time.

 

No, it won't. It won't compile your code, eventually Windows will evolve past being able to run executables that VB5 produces, eventually Windows will evolve past being able to run VB5 itself.

SpectateSwamp:

Any software change

Exactly, except SSDS. You're bound and determined to keep it done in the style of stone-age coding.

SpectateSwamp:

that makes it harder to program using the old tested

Yes, tested, and found to FAIL. Which is why it's old - there's better ways now. But you refuse to look up from your bong and realize that.

SpectateSwamp:

true Natural coding

Natural coding is using labels that make sense. Saying "line_15000", when the label's actually on line 1308 makes no sense whatsoever. Putting a comment of " "' 10 Mar 2008" next to a line of VB5 gibberish is also unnatural. Why not explain what the line does?

SpectateSwamp:

compared to UnNatural coding isn't a good thing

The only unnatural coding around here is SSDS.

SpectateSwamp:

Long live VB5

Sorry, can't do. VB5 is dead. It was buried long ago, and you're worshipping a rotting festering smelly corpse. Good thing you light up so much, the weed fumes cover up the smell of decay (somewhat).

 

 

SpectateSwamp:

If Microsoft was smart they would market it along with a copy of SSDS.

They are smart, and good at marketing hence they are making billions. SSDS on the other hand is shit.

SpectateSwamp:

For now I can do some VB5 builds for Swampies.

There are no swampies.

SpectateSwamp:

VB5 will be around for a long time.

No it won't. It is no longer for sale or supported. VB6 is in extended support (if still supported at all).

SpectateSwamp:

If I have anything to do with it.

You don't thank god.

SpectateSwamp:

Any software change, that makes it harder to program using the old tested and true Natural coding as compared to UnNatural coding isn't a good thing.

Things change, often for the better. Gosub and return where considered rubbish a long time ago and hence named procedures (subs, methods, functions etc) came into existance even BBC basic in the early 80s supported procedures. Global variables, gosub / return and goto make for messy and difficult to read code. Classes, Interfaces etc. make for far cleaner and easier to read code. Live with it.

SpectateSwamp:

Long live VB5

Let it die with what remains of it's dignity.

SpectateSwamp:

Any software change, that makes it harder to program using the old tested and true Natural coding as compared to UnNatural coding isn't a good thing.

By that logic, SSDS "isn't a good thing", as it's a change from normal search tools that allow you to use "Natural coding" (type "file.txt" into a search field) to "UnNatural coding" (type A at Prompt #1, ~PH at Prompt #2, Enter Enter Enter, Jam It!).

I wish someone would go to the SwampShack and reprogram all of Swampy's other stuff to require cryptic commands. Want to microwave a dino mummy to resuscitate it?  Ω at prompt 1, dm at prompt 2, open/close the door 4 times. Need to turn on the lights? Clap out "lk2" using Morse code, followed by "tdemsyr".

I'm sure he'd proclaim it to be the greatest interface he's ever known (or forgotten).

spenk:

SpectateSwamp:

Long live VB5

Let it die with what remains of it's dignity.

Ommawgawd.

Another awful story of mine that hopefully illustrates the sheer weirdness of Swampy's code.

In 1999, I was in some sort of a course where we were supposed to also use Visual Basic. I just looked at the actual files of what we were doing. Now, I don't remember what the hell we really coded in the course, but I do remember that I was making a parody of a warez website and I was so happy we had Visual Basic at hand so I could code up a completely lame ActiveX control for the site. (Incidentally, it appears that I never deployed the thing and instead the site had a Java applet that nowadays crashes the freaking browser (Iceweasel + Sun JDK6). Can't make it run in appletviewer either, I suppose things have evolved from Java 1.2 days, or maybe the damn thing didn't work in the first place. =) So as if it wasn't a common practice already, please turn off Java before visiting the lame site. You may recognise the animated skull GIF, as I had to use it recently =)

Turns out we were programming in Visual Basic 5, at least judging from the source code. Then I looked at the site in question - turns out it mentions that the actual version was VB5Pro. Cool. So I have actually programmed in VB5! All the more reason to forget the experience! I'm a horrible person if my only real exposure to VB is the exact same version that Swampy has used! Noooooo....

However, I looked at my VB code and...

Private Sub trmVaritys_Timer()
   AikaCol = AikaCol + AikaDir
   If AikaCol = 256 Then
     AikaCol = 255
     AikaDir = -1
   ElseIf AikaCol < 100 Then
     AikaCol = 100
     AikaDir = 1
   End If
   lblKello.ForeColor = RGB(AikaCol, 0, 0)
End Sub

...turns out that I had evil, horrible programming practices I had at time - nowadays, I use English consistently thorough all of my apps, because I'm an open source guy and I want others to understand my code, and no one understand this Uralic moonspeak of ours - but the point is...

...I can understand what the hell I was doing in this program.

Pretty vital quality of code, of course, and pretty remarkable that I could do it after - what, 9 years - of not seeing the code.

Even when I have only a vague idea what the program did, there's little to no comments in the code, and the files are more or less full of garbage I've never seen, because I didn't look at the mountain of stuff that VB5 IDE hides from the sight.

I just looked at the code and thought "well, that certainly looks like the business logic - using the term rather loosely - of my mind-numbingly bogus OCX".

Now, I can't actually say the same about Swampy's code...

So yeah, let's let VB5 die. My memories only speak of a little bit, uh, uneven syntax, but I suppose it was okay at time - I didn't know damn about Windows, but I could make programs in it. It certainly couldn't have been as horrible as Swampy tries to prove it was.

PS - yes, it also turns out the Java code for the website is shit, but at least it's under version control. (In RCS, which is probably better than nothing and easily convertable to a modern system.) Harrr. =)

SpectateSwamp:

VB5 worked great for SSDS and I'll make sure I keep a extra VB copy on other machines.

Hmm, wonder what would happen if Microsoft would find out that SS is potentially letting people to use more copies of VB5 than he has paid licenses for. What will happen? Shall the BSA riot cops be rendered insane when they try to storm the Shack, confronting horrors from the Netherworld (and a rare bird with piece of tape down its throat, trained to gouge their eyes)? Will Microsoft retaliate on even grander scale, going as far as removing all references old VB material from MSDN, spend extra resources on getting rid of the old VB installations in general under some olive-branch agreement to help the remaining people migrate to .NET, under the guise that VB6 support is ending? Is there a great conspiracy? Will Microsoft do nothing - "And the life of the compiler went out with that of the last of the file handles. And the windows of the IDE closed. And Obsolescence and Bit Rot and the Spectate Swamp Desktop Search held illimitable dominion over all." Or will this project just remain Unmentioned in the eyes of Microsoft? "Mr Ballmer", the journalists ask in the next expo, "what is Microsoft's position regarding 'the Spectate Swamp situation'?" Ballmer will look somewhat bothered, before replying diplomatically, "We would rather not discuss that situation. No further comments."

SpectateSwamp:

Any software change, that makes it harder to program using the old tested and true Natural coding as compared to UnNatural coding isn't a good thing.

What exactly is "natural" and "unnatural" coding?

I hope you're not chasing the old "hacked together to scratch the itch right now" v. "built with careful planning" dichotomy - because architectural choices and coding style are completely independent of design methodology. In other words, for some apps it's perfectly okay if people just hack together code without careful design - what really matters is that the maintainers must be able to make sense of the results. Some projects might look from a distance that some random programmers are just injecting some code in some strategic parts and it somehow just grows, in a manner most people would understand as "natural" growth - but guess what, that system works because they know what they're doing. Also, guess what - one of the major things to know just happens to be "Don't use weird constructs, architectures or platform quirks that make the life living hell later on."

If you all are so vehemently against keeping VB5 around. Then it's got to be the right thing to do. We Swampies are Luddites. XP and VB5 will be around for a long time. Long time. That and the greatest desktop search engine on the planet. Don't let them fool you. SSDS does everything. I use it all the time. If there were real problems I would have fixed them. This program will go a long way if you want to take it. Maybe sticking with VB5 a little longer is the best and easiest approach. SSDS has helped me capture Aliens and I have used it for hunting Dino Mummies. The possibilities are endless.

The Swampies are not afraid to tussle with Microsoft or Google, even Aliens. A braver bunch I never knew. There could be repercussions. They could be watched. Maybe lumped in with the rest of the crazies. But the rewards of simple desktop search are astronomical.

SpectateSwamp:

If you all are so vehemently against keeping VB5 around. Then it's got to be the right thing to do. We Swampies are Luddites. XP and VB5 will be around for a long time. Long time.

 

 Lets seperate a couple of issues here:
    1) Should VB5 be kept around? vs. Is it still around in any meaningful capacity?

 Its not an issue of should - its an issue of is it still around really at all.  

Right now:

    A) You can't buy it
    B) You can't get support for it
    C) Thus, it is nearly impossible to allow others to compile with it.

Yes, VB5 will be around for a 'long time' in the sense that CheeseWiz in a landfill will be around for a long time.   Just as "Arizona" will be around for a long time - just in the form of a memorial in Pearl Harbor. 

Next, should it be around?  While this is a more subjective issue, its worth noting that newer languages are evolutions of older ones - they progress.  You can also get the compilers and support, maybe of them for free.  The only good* thing about VB5 is the fact that you know how to use it**  and that is a pretty subjective reason that doesn't hold much weight with other people.

* good for Swampy...not to be confused with good for us all
** loosest use of the term,  ever.

SpectateSwamp:

If you all are so vehemently against keeping VB5 around. Then it's got to be the right thing to do. We Swampies are Luddites. XP and VB5 will be around for a long time. Long time. That and the greatest desktop search engine on the planet. Don't let them fool you. SSDS does everything. I use it all the time. If there were real problems I would have fixed them. This program will go a long way if you want to take it. Maybe sticking with VB5 a little longer is the best and easiest approach. SSDS has helped me capture Aliens and I have used it for hunting Dino Mummies. The possibilities are endless.

The Swampies are not afraid to tussle with Microsoft or Google, even Aliens. A braver bunch I never knew. There could be repercussions. They could be watched. Maybe lumped in with the rest of the crazies. But the rewards of simple desktop search are astronomical.

 

 Uh, Spectate, when most people want to use a program, they dont want to have to fiddle with it it get it to actually work. If everyone that has attempted to use SSDS has COMPLAINED ABOUT IT, CHANCES ARE THERE ARE REAL PROBLEMS.

And for goodness' sake, a Desktop search is exactly that, a friggin' desktop search! It cannot help you catch aliens or hunt for dino mummies. You've already clearly shown that you use a different program altogether for your screen captures, so why do you keep insisting that it is SSDS?

 

Also, frankly, Microsoft and Google have better things to do than challenge you. I dont see YOUR millions pouring in. And if they did, you'd probably just buy more pot. 

SpectateSwamp:

A braver bunch I never knew.

Good lord, you are tedious.  A more over-used cliche I never heard.  Can you please come up with a new freaking catchphrase?!

http://www.google.ca/search?q=spectateswamp+%22I+never+knew%22&filter=0

SpectateSwamp:

A more prouder SpectateSwamp I never knew.

SpectateSwamp:

A windier group I never knew.

SpectateSwamp:

A greater program I never knew.

SpectateSwamp:

A more ClueLess group I never knew.

SpectateSwamp:

A more playful alien I never knew?

SpectateSwamp:

A More Collaborative Group I never knew

SpectateSwamp:

2 braver souls I never knew 

SpectateSwamp:

A more Argumentative Group I never Knew!

SpectateSwamp:

A Blinder bunch I never knew.

SpectateSwamp:

A more Robusty Search I never Knew

SpectateSwamp:

A Better video helper I never Knew.

SpectateSwamp:

A more Botty guy I never Knew.

SpectateSwamp:

A more off topic post I never knew.

I may have missed 1 or 2....  

SpectateSwamp:

We Swampies are Luddites.

Yes, you are an Internet-using, camcorder-obsessed, digital video-posting, laptop-owning LUDDITE.  Sigh.  The Unabomber was a Luddite, okay?  You are just a misguided fool.  (To contrast, the Unabomber was an evil, misguided, intelligent LUDDITE fool.)

SpectateSwamp:

The Swampies

SpectateSwamp:

We Swampies

I think you mean "I, Swampy"

SpectateSwamp:

The Swampies are not afraid to tussle with Microsoft or Google, even Aliens.

So Aliens is a company like Microsoft and Google??

SpectateSwamp:

Maybe lumped in with the rest of the crazies.

You're the only crazy.

SpectateSwamp:

. Don't let them fool you. SSDS does everything. I use it all the time. If there were real problems I would have fixed them.

There are real problems, you haven't fixed them, it doesn't do much, and you're the one who is fooled.

SpectateSwamp:

SSDS has helped me capture Aliens and I have used it for hunting Dino Mummies.

No, it hasn't helped catch or hunt anything.

SpectateSwamp:

But the rewards of simple desktop search are astronomical.

Yes, but you haven't made one.

 

Eternal Density:

it doesn't do much

Are you nuts?  It line-wraps and highlights!  And it does it all in just thousands of lines of code!  

-cw

 Sorry to dredge up an oldish post, but Spectate, can you please explain this:

http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/8159/155787.aspx#155787

(Fri, Mar 28 2008)

 

SpectateSwamp:

Programming languages don't matter. It's application background that counts. Moving from one language to another isn't that difficult. Start simple and go from there. People will show you the key elements of the language you need to know and you are off. 2 or 3 weeks using a new language making changes to applications and you can be almost up to speed. With help of course.

But with Spectate Swamp search I have no need to know anything more about languages. Ever again. Period.

 

And this:

 http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/8159/161483.aspx#161483

(Sun, Apr 20 2008)

SpectateSwamp:

Geez VB.net isn't anything like VB5. This is the last programming language I'm going to struggle with. Luckily there are lots of good examples on the Internet. Things always seem to work this way. The more I yap and yap the more it comes back to bite me.

 And this:

http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/8159/162082.aspx#162082

(Wed, Apr 23 2008 11:52 PM EDT)

SpectateSwamp:

I could be wrong. But that would be a first.

 

 

If you can't even agree with YOURSELF, why would you expect us to agree with you? Why should we listen to anything you say when you keep lying and contradicting yourself?

 

SpectateSwamp:

That and the greatest desktop search engine on the planet.

This has been said so many times before I cannot quite believe I keep repeating it but - SSDS is not a desktop search tool, it searches a single text file. Please stop claiming otherwise as you are fooling nobody but yourself.

SpectateSwamp:

SSDS does everything.

No it doesn't. It searches a single file.

SpectateSwamp:

If there were real problems I would have fixed them.

Other than the fact it doesn't even work the first time it is run? Other than the bugs logged against it on sourceforge?

SpectateSwamp:

Maybe sticking with VB5 a little longer is the best and easiest approach.

For you perhaps, the rest of the world has moved on.

SpectateSwamp:

SSDS has helped me capture Aliens and I have used it for hunting Dino Mummies. The possibilities are endless.

Leaves, insects and video compression artifacts - not aliens. Please try and stop confusing them.

SpectateSwamp:

The Swampies are not afraid to tussle with Microsoft or Google, even Aliens. A braver bunch I never knew. There could be repercussions. They could be watched. Maybe lumped in with the rest of the crazies.

Given the only swampie is you being lumped in with the crazies is pretty much guarenteed.

SpectateSwamp:

But the rewards of simple desktop search are astronomical.

Useful rather than astronomical. Obviously we are not talking about SSDS here as it isn't a desktop search.

How come I have to find out about de-interlacing from my Spook post friends. If you are know-it-alls, then you sure aren't letting on that you know. I could see the extra image but ulead couldn't do a capture to jpg. The old standby a screen reshoot will solve the problem. Any of you Swampies want to post the EXTRA tobacco leaf flyer close-ups? Or maybe those who claim there are no Swampies are right. 

(a spook friend of mine QUOTE) 

Can't d/l atm, are these recorded at 60fps?

If not, a standard mini dv camera footage can be de-interlaced to 60 frames per second which would result in better results. Example:

http://www.et.byu.edu/~wheeler/benchtop/videotips.php

 

(-endquote-)

Spaghetti code vs Bubble code (Natural vs UnNatural coding). We spaghetti coders won't let it slip away that easily. Vive la Spagett libra. Pass the sauce.