This was sent to my by an old co-worker, glad I no longer work there: 

 
This is Gary's answer to my problem importing Word html into my template. At this point, I don't know what to do. I've never used frames.

Hi *******,

I looked at your code.  Here is the problem.  You are not using frames or CSS to mimic frames.  This is not your fault.  You were taught not to use frames in your class.  

There is a lot of misinformation in the information industry.  This common idea that frames are bad is a perfect example.  With the WWW, from here on out and especially in multimedia WWW applications, frames are your friend.  Use them always.  Get good at framing.  That is wisdom from Gary.

The problem most website designer have is that they do not recognize that the WWW, at its core, is framed.  Pages are frames.  As we want to better link pages, then we must frame these pages.  Since you are not framing pages, then my pages, or anybody else's pages will interfere with your code (even when the people tell you that it can be locked - that is a lie).  Sections in a single html page cannot be locked.  Pages read in frames can be.  

Therefore, the solution to this specific technical problem, and every technical problem that you will have in the future with multimedia, is framing.  

Again, *******, you have done nothing wrong.  You were just taught a lie.  Frames are the answer, by explicit design.

What I would do is open MS Word and create the frame page, testing it in Word, because it's very easy to do (high level of productivity - once you know how).  Then I'd use Word to export the frame page called Index.html to HTML, to strip out all of the not needed code.  That does the framing part.  Then I'd use my existing multimedia development tools to create the pages that are called within my fixed structured frames.  These pages can be developed by anyone, using anything, from anywhere.  My frame controls their access, use, and display.

In this way, you can have your cake and eat it too.  In this way, you can sub-page, via frames, a single screen display.  In this way you can introduce multimedia without difficulty.  In this way, your pages can be social (they can work with other peoples pages).  In this way you can secure some pages, with true security, and not others.
 
In short, the entire industry is wrong on the framing issue and Gary is right.  This happens a lot to me.  Framing solves this problem and every other multi-page, multi-page source, and multi-media WWW development job.  That is why frames are your friend.

Hope this helps.  Let me know what you decide to do.  I will help, if you frame, because it's the only solution; now and into the future.  –gary


The dribble continues after she protested:
 

Hi *******,

Yes, this happens to me all the time.  I am right and the entire Industry is wrong.  I know it is hard to believe.  You will find this out, on this frame issue, as time ensues.  This is not an ego thing for me.  I do not need anyone's accolades.  It is just the technical truth, well told.  Frames securely mediate, by design.  Secure multi-mediation is the future of all webbing.

You tell me there are two frame problems: handicap access and book marking.  Even if true (I'd need to research), these are not the key issues.  The key issues are as I laid out in the first email on this.

There are two problems with frames.  First, people do not know how to frame.  Second, all pages must be securely and consistently served.  Here is what I mean: if your server is down, and you have a full page, then that full page is not sent and you get the 404 error message.  With frames, you can get that error on just a frame.  So, if you have three frames, then if your server is not secure, you have three times the opportunity to get the 404 error message.  Therefore, to use frames (an advanced mediation capability), you must be smarter and more secure.

On your very insightful issues:

1. Item one, can you make them drop-up menus?  That is my first idea.  If not, if you do not like that idea, I will look further.

2. Item two, place variable width frames on either side, with your background star image.  Then place Tim's work in center as a fixed width frame of the pixels you so desire.  So the top frame is three side-by-side frames.  Then the middle work frame has other frames.  This is called the windowing of frames.  That is how you want to now think about all multimedia website design, especially with multiple team authors.

Again, I'm here to help.  Just send me any problem that you have.  I feel your energy and intelligence on this.  It's a pleasure working with you.  -gary

 

 

Is this Gary a "Gary Smith" or a "Gary Nahasapadeknahadeepnamak?"

djork:

Is this Gary a "Gary Smith" or a "Gary Nahasapadeknahadeepnamak?"

 

what's with all the racial comments on this site lately??

PerdidoPunk:

djork:

Is this Gary a "Gary Smith" or a "Gary Nahasapadeknahadeepnamak?"

 

what's with all the racial comments on this site lately??

 

They took urrrr jaawwwbsss!!!!! 

Samir Nagheenanajar.

Gary has completely lost it, I'm afraid.

Gary is an interesting fellow, he claims to be on the same level of intelligence as aristotle/plato, only spoken to him once and that was enough for me.

Secure multi-mediation is the future of all webbing.

 My God, that's brilliant. Has Gary considered advancing to the Sales Team?
 

PerdidoPunk:

djork:

Is this Gary a "Gary Smith" or a "Gary Nahasapadeknahadeepnamak?"

 

what's with all the racial comments on this site lately??

Well there are two explanations for Gary's writing: He's insane and English is not his first language, or he's insane and a complete moron. I'm just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

djork, I can 100% assure you that gary is an 50ish white guy who grew up in the midwest, speaking english as his first language, who up until recently was a professor (if you can call him that) for bryant college.

I am right and the entire Industry is wrong.

He says this, but why does he still need a beating from the clue stick? 

blindsleeper:

djork, I can 100% assure you that gary is an 50ish white guy who grew up in the midwest, speaking english as his first language, who up until recently was a professor (if you can call him that) for bryant college.

 

that's what i grokked from his writing style. reminds me of some people i've met.

blindsleeper:

... was a professor (if you can call him that) for bryant college.

That explains EVERYTHING ... the delusions of grandeur, the ridiculous outdated and impractical technical advice ...

I am right and the entire Industry is wrong.

Deserves an ignobel.

And what happens to your own personal frames? I just the other day got... a frame was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday, I got it yesterday. Why?

obediah:

PerdidoPunk:

djork:

Is this Gary a "Gary Smith" or a "Gary Nahasapadeknahadeepnamak?"

 

what's with all the racial comments on this site lately??

 

They took urrrr jaawwwbsss!!!!! 

A stunning piece of complete nonsense.

Curiously enough, one part is right: the popular anti-frame mindset is about as coherent as these messages themselves. Frames are often abused, but not intrinsically wrong.

Not wrong, but they do cause some major accessibility headaches in many cases (this company does work with government bodies from time to time). And to add a bit of fuel to the fire, this guy also suggested that rather than implementing a cms or manually updating pages for clients, that they should just create their updated pages in word and export to html, using an ftp program to upload the pages themselves.

 

It's also possible that he's having some fun with her.

PerdidoPunk:

djork:

Is this Gary a "Gary Smith" or a "Gary Nahasapadeknahadeepnamak?"

 

what's with all the racial comments on this site lately??

LOL, haven't you noticed the /b/-tards are paying us a visit?

nope, he's not, he doesn't even know what a target attribute is...

Vechni:

And what happens to your own personal frames? I just the other day got... a frame was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday, I got it yesterday. Why?

Excellently used.  I give you a gold star :)
 

djork:

PerdidoPunk:

djork:

Is this Gary a "Gary Smith" or a "Gary Nahasapadeknahadeepnamak?"

 

what's with all the racial comments on this site lately??

Well there are two explanations for Gary's writing: He's insane and English is not his first language, or he's insane and a complete moron. I'm just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

That's exactly what I was thinking. It seems like he's using certain words, like "security" completely incoherently. Generally, I attribute that to language problems, but apparently in this case he's just an idiot. :)

This is one of the best side bar WTFs in ages.  thank you sir for sharing.

blindsleeper:

djork, I can 100% assure you that gary is an 50ish white guy who grew up in the midwest, speaking english as his first language, who up until recently was a professor (if you can call him that) for bryant college.

Then I conclude that no language is his first language.

frames are great !!!! their a poor man's AJAX!

 

</sarcasm>