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Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
Last post 08-07-2007 9:28 AM by axarydax. 41 replies.
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07-31-2007 7:58 PM
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joe.edwards


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Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
I just discovered this accidentally when trying to paste the HTML snippet <a href="http://forums.worsethanfailure.com/forums/AddPost.aspx?ForumID=18#" onclick="window.scrollTo(0,0); return false;">Back To Top</a> to a coworker so I could explain that no scripting was necessary. The server rejected my message. I tried it a few times, varying the message slightly, and found that the characters [period] s c r would cause the send to fail, regardless of surrounding characters. I use Pidgin, a multiprotocol IM client, so I'm fairly sure this filtering takes place on Microsoft's servers rather than on the client (the "server error" message also pointed in that direction).
I know .scr is the extension for a Windows screensaver, which is really an executable file in disguise. It's a common vessel for viruses and I imagine the purpose of this nonsense is to prevent virus/spyware spam on their IM network. Of course the result was that a perfectly legitimate message was rejected with no explanation, and I had to figure out what was going on so I could circumvent it. I couldn't make any reference to the JavaScript function window.scrollTo at all, just in case I had some vague malicious intent.
I hate software that dictates my security policy to me [separately from company policy]. My email client automatically rejects any script or executable attachments, regardless of if I want them or not; it also flat out refuses to remember my password, despite the checkbox. The IE on our server won't let us download archives from websites (necessary server utilities), until I flag that server explicitly as being trusted. Almost everything on the Windows platform just feels like "it's our way or the highway" to me, and I find it alienating. I don't like jumping through hoops that are there by-design to protect me from myself.
I'm sorry this devolved into an off-topic rant, but this sort of thing peeves me. I supposedly administrate this network, but apparently I need a babysitter that can't be disabled. That decision is reserved by the software; users and administrators have no say in the matter. I know a corrollary of Murphy's law is that if a user can do something stupid, that user will do something stupid; but I think that's the prerogative of the user [or the employer of said user]. If something is inherently unsafe, warn me, and let me or some configurable policy decide what to do.
It doesn't even work, so far as I've heard. Windows, IE, and Outlook exploits continue to crop up despite the weekly automatic vaccinations (which force a restart unless you figure out how to disable it.) Intrusive-yet-ineffective security measures like this one just make my work more unpleasant, and steadily drain my enthusiasm until I consider converting to the Linux camp -- I installed it on my laptop and love the level of customization possible.
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Lingerance


- Joined on 07-24-2007
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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
iirc window['scrollTo'](0,0) should work. Also I would have to agree; one thing that Microsoft doesn't realize that if it allows for more user-friendly tweaking it can pretty much crush Linux (as a few people who use Linux like the tweak-ability aspect more than the open source part, of the people I know that is). Also the force-restart thing is definitely a kick in the pants (it's killed a number of long operations (like downloads) that it's a major pain in the ass, I think it's also corrupted a backup on me once (which wasn't too bad as I only held one of the back ups). Also the are you sure you want to change the extension is a major peeve.
irc://irc.slashnet.org/#TDWTF (Redirects to #CodeLove ) Yo dawg I herd hoard you like to search so I put a 2TB txt file in yo SSDS so your memory's maxed out and your computer cant do shit? -- Nyquist
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PSWorx


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
At least concerning the e-mail client (which name rhymes with "Toutlook"), Microsoft eventually accepted that it was a bad idea. There is some really obscure registry option that lets you disable that "feature". Also, as far as I know, it has been removed (or at least alleviated to a sane form) in newer versions. I agree however that it tells quite a bit about the attitude that they put it in in the first place.
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Heron


- Joined on 06-20-2007
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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
Windows Live Messenger also blocks links ending in .info: if you send "www.visitmysite.info" to a friend, it will block the message entirely. I also use Pidgin, so I'm pretty sure they (microsoft) block it themselves.
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codeman38


- Joined on 12-10-2004
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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
Oh, I remember stumbling across the ".scr" thing a while back. Utterly ridiculous.
Particularly since it doesn't actually take into account whether that substring is even part of a URL, as you've mentioned. And it's not case-sensitive, either. So you can't even refer to java.awt.ScrollPane, for instance. ::headdesk::
Apparently MSN also blocks anything with "download.php" from being sent, which, of course, blocks a bunch of legitimate download sites.
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Daniel Beardsmore


- Joined on 02-16-2007
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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
The extension change warning is perfectly valid, but it's a symptom of at least one larger problem. I will work on the assumption that extensions are worthwhile, although I am not sure about this either. The primary problem, and it's wonderful to see that Apple made the same mistake as Microsoft, is that graphical file rename selects the entire name including the extension. Therefore, if you type, or paste in, a whole new name, you automatically wipe out the extension.
It's so easy to screw up a filename when trying to edit it, and Microsoft of course, as usual, work around that by putting in another layer of inconvenience. Not only a dialog box, but one that does nothing useful. If you hit Yes, you lose your original extension. For an average user, they probably have no idea what it should be or that Explorer has undo, even the desktop (ctrl-Z or right-click on the desktop, Undo, despite no menu bar). If you hit No, the original name is restored and you have to type it all over again. I think Apple started this stupidity, not Microsoft -- the Finder was just as moronic. The only change is that OS X now lets you click which extension you want to keep.
Of course, if you lose the extension entirely, there isn't even a warning in Windows (unlike Mac OS X, IIRC) that the new name will render the file unable to be launched by its default action.
I wonder, do any of the X11 file managers get all this right?
And yes, trying to get URLs to go through MSN in Pidgin can be really frustrating. I've barely touched Microsoft's two official MSN clients (Windows Messenger, MSN Messenger/Windows Live Messenger) so I don't know whether they have the same problem.
I think the funniest one was this:
Trying to open a PNG image in Internet Explorer, with QuickTime set to render them (perhaps so you can have true 32-bit PNGs?) Of course, this was not the first and not the last time that Windows Explorer or Internet Explorer could not understand what the Internet was (like being told that by Windows Explorer that a particular .txt file on some \\SERVER was a dangerous file on the Intenet that I shouldn't open ...)
[Edit: yes, the PNG file in the screenshot above was itself a screenshot of another bug, a bug in MSN Messenger ;-)]
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Lingerance


- Joined on 07-24-2007
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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
Thunar (xfce.org) and nautallius (sp?) iirc both select only the filename section of the filename when renaming. I'm presuming konkorer does the same thing, though I don't have any systems with KDE installed to try that out.
Also on the subject of MS's wonderful ideas is XP no longer has the find file dialog as the find file dialog, I have to click one button to start finding the files which is a pain if you opened the dialog with your keyboard as you have to move a hand over to the mouse. We could just flood MS's support site with suggestions on how to make their software better, doubt that would do anything; bigger the group though. . .
irc://irc.slashnet.org/#TDWTF (Redirects to #CodeLove ) Yo dawg I herd hoard you like to search so I put a 2TB txt file in yo SSDS so your memory's maxed out and your computer cant do shit? -- Nyquist
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joe.edwards


- Joined on 08-14-2006
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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
Daniel Beardsmore:
One thing to watch out for is that HTTP uses mime-types, not file extensions, to determine what a file is used for. The extension means nothing. You could perhaps dupe some naive individual with a safe-looking file extension in a URL, that triggers a download of executable code (though most modern user agents are too smart for this sort of thing). I've seen dynamic HTML pages with extensions like .exe and .dll, that were simply programs running server-side. The browser knows this because the mime-type remains text/html, as sent in the HTTP headers.
You probably already knew that, but it's good to bear in mind.
[Edit: Doh! I only just now realized that was a local path in your screenshot. Disregard my comment.]
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asuffield


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
joe.edwards@imaginuity.com:I hate software that dictates my security policy to me [separately from company policy]. My email client automatically rejects any script or executable attachments, regardless of if I want them or not; it also flat out refuses to remember my password, despite the checkbox. The IE on our server won't let us download archives from websites (necessary server utilities), until I flag that server explicitly as being trusted. Almost everything on the Windows platform just feels like "it's our way or the highway" to me, and I find it alienating. I don't like jumping through hoops that are there by-design to protect me from myself.
I'm sorry this devolved into an off-topic rant, but this sort of thing peeves me. I supposedly administrate this network, but apparently I need a babysitter that can't be disabled. That decision is reserved by the software; users and administrators have no say in the matter. I know a corrollary of Murphy's law is that if a user can do something stupid, that user will do something stupid; but I think that's the prerogative of the user [or the employer of said user]. If something is inherently unsafe, warn me, and let me or some configurable policy decide what to do.
You are rapidly approaching the point where you discover the reason for free software. Unix platforms are better than anything MS has done, but that's not what it's all about. If you don't have the source and the right to fix it, you don't own it - it owns you. It's all about whether you're the guy driving the cart or the horse pulling the cart.
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asuffield


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
Daniel Beardsmore:I wonder, do any of the X11 file managers get all this right?
Anybody who's serious about using a unix platform doesn't use them for file management - the shell is just so much better at it than any GUI created so far. As such, all the X11 file managers are designed for immigrants from windows and macosx, so they tend to duplicate some of the insanity.
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Jarvix


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
Daniel Beardsmore:
It's so easy to screw up a filename when trying to edit it, and Microsoft of course, as usual, work around that by putting in another layer of inconvenience. Not only a dialog box, but one that does nothing useful. If you hit Yes, you lose your original extension. For an average user, they probably have no idea what it should be or that Explorer has undo, even the desktop (ctrl-Z or right-click on the desktop, Undo, despite no menu bar). If you hit No, the original name is restored and you have to type it all over again. I think Apple started this stupidity, not Microsoft -- the Finder was just as moronic. The only change is that OS X now lets you click which extension you want to keep.
Of course, if you lose the extension entirely, there isn't even a warning in Windows (unlike Mac OS X, IIRC) that the new name will render the file unable to be launched by its default action.
This annoyance was introduced by Microsoft as the MacOS did not natively pay attention to file extensions until MacOS X. MacOS 9 and lower used 4 byte file type and creator codes to identify both the type of file and what application should open the file when the file is double clicked in the Finder.
Also, in OS X if you delete the file extension of a file while renaming it, the Finder simply hides that file's extension leaving it unchanged.
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Treeki


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
Another WTF with Messenger:
File transfers are completely messed up.
Sometimes they fail to send a request to the other person.
Sometimes they don't send the request, but send it after a few minutes.
Sometimes they show up as declined when they have been accepted.
Sometimes, they don't even appear correctly in the chatbox, and/or mess all the text up!
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codeman38


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
Heron:Windows Live Messenger also blocks links ending in .info: if you send "www.visitmysite.info" to a friend, it will block the message entirely. I also use Pidgin, so I'm pretty sure they (microsoft) block it themselves.
OK, I had to see if MS was as stupid here in their implementation as I expected...and I was right.
They block '.info' ANYWHERE in a message.
Even if it's, say, www.infoworld.com. Or myPackageName.InformationRecord. Context does not matter whatsoever.
::sound of head hitting desk repeatedly::
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AbbydonKrafts


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
OMFG! I wonder what other hidden blocks it has.
I'm glad I don't use that thing...
Join us at #TDWTF on irc.slashnet.org !
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poochner


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codeman38:Oh, I remember stumbling across the ".scr" thing a while back. Utterly ridiculous.
Particularly since it doesn't actually take into account whether that substring is even part of a URL, as you've mentioned. And it's not case-sensitive, either. So you can't even refer to java.awt.ScrollPane, for instance. ::headdesk::
Apparently MSN also blocks anything with "download.php" from being sent, which, of course, blocks a bunch of legitimate download sites.
If it was case sensitive, it wouldn't be doing what they intend that it do*, since the extensions and file associations aren't case sensitive. *the utility of which is laughable.
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Daniel Beardsmore


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AbbydonKrafts:I'm glad I don't use that thing...
I've spent a lot of time talking to contacts on MSN, but it's not the random blocking that's the biggest problem, but the general server connection reliability. It's got to be the least reliable IM system on the planet. I am not sure what's with the limit of one colour and style per message though.
The only snag is that many of us seem to be Pidgin users, and it's no great secret that Pidgin's MSN code is painfully obsolete. It's hard to tell how much of MSN is simply Pidgin being buggy and broken, like how Yahoo file transfers die with an error despite actually completing successfully. MSN file transfers still go at pathetic speed (about 2 kB/sec often), which I do wish would get fixed.
I wish I didn't have to use the MSN chat network, but so many people only use that one. I don't know if any of them are especially reliable or especially well-supported in Pidgin, but AIM and ICQ seem to be pretty good at the moment, file transfers notwithstanding.
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SpComb


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
Daniel Beardsmore:I've spent a lot of time talking to contacts on MSN, but it's not the random blocking that's the biggest problem, but the general server connection reliability. It's got to be the least reliable IM system on the planet. I am not sure what's with the limit of one colour and style per message though.
I use BitlBee as my MSN client, and I can attest that the uptime/reliability of the MSN servers is quite good, measured in weeks (and that's mainly just reconnect-to-another-server downtime, significant downtime's only occurred a couple times in the past two years).
As for the arbitrary blocking/dropping of messages based on random terms - happens in BitlBee too.
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fly2


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
I assume this is some sort of spam filter that only affects clients that don't properly identify to the server (e.g. Pidgin). I guess the "side" effect, that this makes non MS-clients almost unusable is not entirely bad for MS. Other companies providing IM services have been very uncooperative towards alternative clients as well.
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J.S


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codeman38: Heron:Windows Live Messenger also blocks links ending in .info: if you send "www.visitmysite.info" to a friend, it will block the message entirely. I also use Pidgin, so I'm pretty sure they (microsoft) block it themselves. OK, I had to see if MS was as stupid here in their implementation as I expected...and I was right. They block '.info' ANYWHERE in a message. Even if it's, say, www.infoworld.com. Or myPackageName.InformationRecord. Context does not matter whatsoever. ::sound of head hitting desk repeatedly::
Well, there is .inf in both of those addresses. Although I don't know if .inf's can be used to create any significant amount of damage... Now the real question is, does MS block www.microsoft .com ? Edit: Anyone know any .exe<something> addresses?
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ctardi


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
http://www.exe-undersq.com/
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WWWWolf


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asuffield:Anybody who's serious about using a unix platform doesn't use them for file management - the shell is just so much better at it than any GUI created so far. As such, all the X11 file managers are designed for immigrants from windows and macosx, so they tend to duplicate some of the insanity.
Pfft. Command line is nice, but not really fun for all purposes. Anyone who's serious about using a Unix platform knows the correct solution is to use the Right Tools for the Job.
Finding the file if you remember it's name? "locate foo". Trying to find the file from among the bazillion documents if you Know It Was Somewhere Here? File manager. Mass renaming files? "for i in ... ; do mv $i ... ; done" and hope you didn't blew up the whole thing. Subtle name-changes for a few files in the directory? File manager. And especially, ordinary every-day opening of files for GUI application use - the file manager.
If you believe command line is the best tool for everything, your grand prize is a year's supply of auto-complete-induced backslashes (and pair of thick glasses to make sense of them). =)
mysql> help contents; Nothing found Please try to run 'help contents' for a list of all accessible topics Desktop Search Rain - Gothic Computing's EASY button ( Go wild^H^H^H^H figure)
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tchize


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asuffield: Daniel Beardsmore:I wonder, do any of the X11 file managers get all this right?
Anybody who's serious about using a unix platform doesn't use them for file management - the shell is just so much better at it than any GUI created so far. As such, all the X11 file managers are designed for immigrants from windows and macosx, so they tend to duplicate some of the insanity.
Try to use command line to manage a webdav folder :D i particulary like the konqueror feature to filter content. Very usefull to manage content of /home/tchize/*.png and dont get bothered by other files :D
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Arancaytar


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
joe.edwards@imaginuity.com:I just discovered this accidentally when trying to paste the HTML snippet <a href="http://forums.worsethanfailure.com/forums/AddPost.aspx?ForumID=18#" onclick="window.scrollTo(0,0); return false;">Back To Top</a> to a coworker so I could explain that no scripting was necessary. The server rejected my message. I tried it a few times, varying the message slightly, and found that the characters [period] s c r would cause the send to fail, regardless of surrounding characters. I use Pidgin, a multiprotocol IM client, so I'm fairly sure this filtering takes place on Microsoft's servers rather than on the client (the "server error" message also pointed in that direction).
I know .scr is the extension for a Windows screensaver, which is really an executable file in disguise. It's a common vessel for viruses and I imagine the purpose of this nonsense is to prevent virus/spyware spam on their IM network. Of course the result was that a perfectly legitimate message was rejected with no explanation, and I had to figure out what was going on so I could circumvent it. I couldn't make any reference to the JavaScript function window.scrollTo at all, just in case I had some vague malicious intent.
I hate software that dictates my security policy to me [separately from company policy]. My email client automatically rejects any script or executable attachments, regardless of if I want them or not; it also flat out refuses to remember my password, despite the checkbox. The IE on our server won't let us download archives from websites (necessary server utilities), until I flag that server explicitly as being trusted. Almost everything on the Windows platform just feels like "it's our way or the highway" to me, and I find it alienating. I don't like jumping through hoops that are there by-design to protect me from myself.
I'm sorry this devolved into an off-topic rant, but this sort of thing peeves me. I supposedly administrate this network, but apparently I need a babysitter that can't be disabled. That decision is reserved by the software; users and administrators have no say in the matter. I know a corrollary of Murphy's law is that if a user can do something stupid, that user will do something stupid; but I think that's the prerogative of the user [or the employer of said user]. If something is inherently unsafe, warn me, and let me or some configurable policy decide what to do.
It doesn't even work, so far as I've heard. Windows, IE, and Outlook exploits continue to crop up despite the weekly automatic vaccinations (which force a restart unless you figure out how to disable it.) Intrusive-yet-ineffective security measures like this one just make my work more unpleasant, and steadily drain my enthusiasm until I consider converting to the Linux camp -- I installed it on my laptop and love the level of customization possible.
You don't mention the resolution of the problem... did you witness to your coworker the gospel of XMPP? I am always foolishly hoping for a happy ending.
A monk asked Joshu: isTrue(dog.hasBuddhaNature()) ? Joshu replied: FILENOTFOUND
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asuffield


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
WWWWolf:Trying to find the file from among the bazillion documents if you Know It Was Somewhere Here?
grep Subtle name-changes for a few files in the directory?
qmv
And especially, ordinary every-day opening of files for GUI application use
Passed as the final argument to the program.
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asuffield


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tchize: asuffield: Daniel Beardsmore:I wonder, do any of the X11 file managers get all this right?
Anybody who's serious about using a unix platform doesn't use them for file management - the shell is just so much better at it than any GUI created so far. As such, all the X11 file managers are designed for immigrants from windows and macosx, so they tend to duplicate some of the insanity.
Try to use command line to manage a webdav folder :D
davfs2 or fusedav. So much better than something that only works with KDE applications.
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Heron


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
I'm not sure whether I was using Pidgin when I tested that. However, for kicks and giggles, I'm in Windows right now, using Windows Live Messenger, and my wife is sitting next to me on *her* laptop logged in to Windows Live Messenger. We are both using the newest version. the string ".info" is blocked. the strings ".exe", ".inf", and (of course) ".com" are not blocked.
So no, this is not an issue that only affects non-Microsoft clients. This is a Microsoft server-side issue, which implies that it is done on purpose.
I use MSN because I know a lot of people that do. I rarely see significant server downtime (less than two or three times a year) whether I'm using Pidgin or Windows Live Messenger.
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Daniel Beardsmore


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Hm ... I think I've seen some good .info sites, but nothing specific comes to mind.
However, this is funny — from the regular-expressions.info site:
[You] could use the regular expression \b[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}\b Analyze this regular expression with RegexBuddy to search for an email address. Any email address, to be exact.
Aside from the seemingly random insertion of "Analyze this regular expression with RegexBuddy" caused by inserting a link into the sentence containing an image with an alt property (which rears the ugly head of title vs. alt usage), I am amused to see their attempt to match every single e-mail address.
I lose track of exactly which characters that expression won't match (and how many can be reasonably expected to occur in 99.999% of real addresses) but it would be nice if the site were to acknowledge the limitations of its expression. Or, hey, since it's a regular expression site, post the complete Borg Cube expression.
In its defence, the "properly formatted email address" does at least go on to explain the limitations of then above expression. But it did say "Any". In italics.
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asuffield


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Cap'n Steve:
That one is more of a misinfo site. It's a jumbled mixture of correct information, misquotes, confusion, popular-but-wrong ideas, and advertising. Don't trust what you read there.
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codeman38


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Cap'n Steve:
First one I thought of was songtitle.info - which answers the age-old question "what was the song in that commercial?".
There's also colloquy.info, which, granted, is only useful if you use OS X and participate in IRC chats. Given that I've shared the link with Mac folks who were dissatisfied with Ircle, I think it's useful, anyway. :-p
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GoldenCrater


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
Daniel Beardsmore:The extension change warning is perfectly valid, but it's a symptom of at least one larger problem. I will work on the assumption that extensions are worthwhile, although I am not sure about this either. The primary problem, and it's wonderful to see that Apple made the same mistake as Microsoft, is that graphical file rename selects the entire name including the extension. Therefore, if you type, or paste in, a whole new name, you automatically wipe out the extension.
Vista actually fixes this issue. When you go to rename a file it selects all but the extension. At least they got something right with it.
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Daniel Beardsmore


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Sheez man.
(10:53:59 PM) Telcontar: oo ...
Generating gallery:
Path: v0/v0g00 -
Warning: chdir(): No such file or directory (errno 2) in /usr/local/...../generategallery.php on line 87
0 images found.
(10:54:01 PM) Message could not be sent because a connection error occurred:
...
The "....." is not obfuscation -- it was where I removed two instances of ".com" and other cruft to placate MSN. Still no dice.
Seems that "generategallery.php" is considered another exploit, so I had to take ".php" off the end. Since ".php" is, well, rather commonplace on the Web, I wonder how many other valid URLs get blocked. It doesn't seem to have been too bothered about my site (all PHP pages) but a lot of my URLs end with '/' as I consider "index.*" unsightly.
At least it's good to know that Vista's Explorer has a time-saving improvement, to make up for the time wasted moving items to the Recycle Bin ...
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Cyresse


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
Daniel Beardsmore:
The extension change warning is perfectly valid, but it's a symptom of at least one larger problem. I will work on the assumption that extensions are worthwhile, although I am not sure about this either. The primary problem, and it's wonderful to see that Apple made the same mistake as Microsoft, is that graphical file rename selects the entire name including the extension. Therefore, if you type, or paste in, a whole new name, you automatically wipe out the extension.
Not in Vista. In attached image, taken immediately after right click > rename (or double click on name) top = XP, bottom = Vista. One of the few immediately noticeable improvements in my experimentation. Edit: I see I've been beaten to this point.

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Daniel15


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
AbbydonKrafts:OMFG! I wonder what other hidden blocks it has.
I'm glad I don't use that thing...
For anyone that's wondering about this, here's a full list of everything that's censored: .pif .scr grouppicture.php groupicture.php gallery.php staff.php pics.php rottentomatoes.us msn.php\?email= download.php www.baratinha.mypets.ws www.messangerstats.net www.messengertools.org www.stuffplug.com/temp/downgrdr.exe 69.56.129.67/gift.com xmas-2006 miralafoto/foto.exe 168.169.78.19 profile.php\? tufoto www.hornymatches.com www.iwantu.com www.block-checker.com verti2/fantasma.zip www.amigosparasempre.smtp.ru www.amigosparasempro.smtp.ru armazfiles.smtp.ru www.chinacircle.com www.mensagemparavc.mail15.com www.mprofiles.net/members.php\?msn= www.930le.com www.66663.cn www.shusu.cn www.1717wan.cn www.995ba.com www.mydipan.cn www.51kongqi.com www.94nile.com/apple sweetpictures.myphotos.cc/katiesex.pif 201.22.6.4/fotos/safada.html www.life365.com www.photogbase.com/pictures.php\?photo656.jpg chnstudio.com/upload/impluse.exe shurl.org/myhomepage p1377.pic-myspace.info www.mypengyou.com pic831.mp3-myspace.com www.51pingguo.cn 88chi.com nihao52.com 81copy.com myonlinecam.net 77885.cn 51zhaogu.com 51shejiao.cn gangen.cn wangw.cn uglyphotos.net funpic.de 505united.com t35.com quicknews.info symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp\?docid=2004-120714-0643-99 members.lycos.co.uk/svy21/t/contact.php sonresimler1.googlepages.com/ozelresimler.htm viotagallery.com www.spotyourface.net/main/pictures/sexy image001.png image002.gif funbuddyicons.com wellwell.biz casedinjertionkderunhdaseo.com jertionkdewiondaserunf.com butuinkdesionmas.com imp.exe bush-gracioso.exe www.windowslivemessenger.biz/msn/msn.php memebers.lycos.co.uk/getmessenger get-messenger belgravehelpdesk.com xpimad.com album.zip malbranche.goracer.de albrahem.com improfile.net unknowntools.com www.dreamlife365.com/member/ hetandunhasde.com www.mensageirovirtual.land.rup
To get around a lot of the blocking, you can use "%2e" instead of "." (eg. download%2ephp).
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asuffield


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
Daniel15:
... They are clearly insane. Why that particular one?
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PSWorx


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
asuffield: Daniel15:
... They are clearly insane. Why that particular one?
Exactly what I thought once I read the post. What did that point to though? I just get a 404 if I try to access it now. Daniel15: To get around a lot of the blocking, you can use "%2e" instead of "." (eg. download%2ephp).
Which shows once again how utterly pointless and moronic this kind of block is. Every halfway determined spammer can easily circumvent it. Average Joe User, however can't. So the *only* impact this block has at all is to annoy users. Well done. Really well done.
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rbowes


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
asuffield: Daniel15:
... They are clearly insane. Why that particular one?
I don't know why it's got \? in there, but here is a link to it. As far as I can tell, it's a piece of adware that adds itself to autorun under the name "MSN Messenger". Perhaps they're worried that people will see that and think their OS is insecure?
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Daniel Beardsmore


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
rbowes:I don't know why it's got \? in there ...
In the original list, they were all regular expressions. Daniel15 probably converted all the escaped dots, but didn't also spot the escaped question marks.
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Daniel15


- Joined on 01-27-2007
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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
Daniel Beardsmore: rbowes:I don't know why it's got \? in there ... In the original list, they were all regular expressions. Daniel15 probably converted all the escaped dots, but didn't also spot the escaped question marks.
Yeah, my bad... They were regular expressions, and special characters like . and ? were escaped. I did a find and replace on the dots, but didn't notice the questions marks.
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Daniel15


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
Oh, and here's a new list: .p .s grouppicture.p groupicture.ph gallery.php staff.ph pics.php msn.php?email download.ph xmas-2006 miralafoto/foto.e profile.php tufoto verti2/fantasma.z armazfiles.smtp. chnstudio.com/upload/impluse.ex t35.c members.lycos.co.uk/svy21/t/contact.ph sonresimler1.googlepages.com/ozelresimler.htm viotagallery.c image001.pn image002.gi funbuddyicons.com wellwell.bi casedinjertionkderunhdaseo.co jertionkdewiondaserunf.com butuinkdesionmas.com imp.e bush-gracioso.exe memebers.lycos.co.uk/getmessenger get-messenge belgravehelpdesk.com xpimad.c album.zi malbranche.goracer. albrahem.co improfile.n unknowntools.c hetandunhasde.com thecoolpics.ne .*www.provnarkotika.com.* gratishost.com dreamlife365.c whoadmitsyou.c blockoo.com baratinha.mypets.ws messangerstats.ne messengertools.or stuffplug.com/temp/downgrdr.exe hornymatches.c iwantu.c block-checker.com amigosparasempre.smtp. amigosparasempro.smtp. chinacircle.co mensagemparavc.mail15.com mprofiles.net/members.php?msn= 930le.co 66663.cn shusu.cn 1717wan. 995ba.co mydipan. 51kongqi.co 94nile.c life365.com photogbase.com/pictures.php?photo656.j mypengyou.c 51pingguo.c spotyourface.net/main/pictures/sexy windowslivemessenger.bi mensageirovirtual.land.ru provnarkotika.com tinyurl.com/asdkfh13 wasedinterfunva.c qerunherdasfunkin.co photos.z .*2nnvc7. .*urltea.com.* urltea.com/p2s tinyurl.com/2nnvc linkangel.net/msn messenger-tips.co imrealm.com blocknblock.co imtract.com blockinri messaging-names tebloqueo.c mesns.co .*messenger-tips.com .*get-messenger.com. .*hotbeachpics.net.* .*wadesuntiondketunhasde.com. .*la.gg/upl cbswest.com newmsn cirnews.com .*easedrunkiondehunfans.com.* .*amazingsexy.net .*nishiwo.com. .*vetionkdesunjadefin.com. .*handeusjinkdewshishu.com .*pozaseruiasterduin.com.* .*okinyunhfeunasterfunjin.com .*messengerscan.com. .*.info. .*messenger-scan.* .*my-msn.servebeer.com .*summer2008 .*images.zip.* .*messengerscan.net. .*msn-csi.tk.* .*messenger-contacts.tk .*xedinkiontnherioplinades.com.* .*messenger-list.com .*messengercheck.biz .*msn-contacts.tk .*myalbum2007.zip .*cirnews.com. .*messenger-checker.tk. .*msn-live-scanner.tk.* .*msn-scanner.tk. .*bloockoo.net
.* means "zero or more characters", it's like a wildcard. As one of the aMSN developers noted on the topic I linked to, the list of censored words is retrieveable. If you use aMSN, press CTRL+S and type in "getCensoredWords".
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axarydax


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Re: Windows Live Messenger WTF [ + Microsoft rant ]
Daniel15: AbbydonKrafts:OMFG! I wonder what other hidden blocks it has.
I'm glad I don't use that thing...
For anyone that's wondering about this, here's a full list of everything that's censored: .pif .scr grouppicture.php groupicture.php gallery.php staff.php pics.php rottentomatoes.us msn.php\?email= download.php www.baratinha.mypets.ws www.messangerstats.net www.messengertools.org www.stuffplug.com/temp/downgrdr.exe 69.56.129.67/gift.com xmas-2006 miralafoto/foto.exe 168.169.78.19 profile.php\? tufoto www.hornymatches.com www.iwantu.com www.block-checker.com verti2/fantasma.zip www.amigosparasempre.smtp.ru www.amigosparasempro.smtp.ru armazfiles.smtp.ru www.chinacircle.com www.mensagemparavc.mail15.com www.mprofiles.net/members.php\?msn= www.930le.com www.66663.cn www.shusu.cn www.1717wan.cn www.995ba.com www.mydipan.cn www.51kongqi.com www.94nile.com/apple sweetpictures.myphotos.cc/katiesex.pif 201.22.6.4/fotos/safada.html www.life365.com www.photogbase.com/pictures.php\?photo656.jpg chnstudio.com/upload/impluse.exe shurl.org/myhomepage p1377.pic-myspace.info www.mypengyou.com pic831.mp3-myspace.com www.51pingguo.cn 88chi.com nihao52.com 81copy.com myonlinecam.net 77885.cn 51zhaogu.com 51shejiao.cn gangen.cn wangw.cn uglyphotos.net funpic.de 505united.com t35.com quicknews.info symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp\?docid=2004-120714-0643-99 members.lycos.co.uk/svy21/t/contact.php sonresimler1.googlepages.com/ozelresimler.htm viotagallery.com www.spotyourface.net/main/pictures/sexy image001.png image002.gif funbuddyicons.com wellwell.biz casedinjertionkderunhdaseo.com jertionkdewiondaserunf.com butuinkdesionmas.com imp.exe bush-gracioso.exe www.windowslivemessenger.biz/msn/msn.php memebers.lycos.co.uk/getmessenger get-messenger belgravehelpdesk.com xpimad.com album.zip malbranche.goracer.de albrahem.com improfile.net unknowntools.com www.dreamlife365.com/member/ hetandunhasde.com www.mensageirovirtual.land.rup
To get around a lot of the blocking, you can use "%2e" instead of "." (eg. download%2ephp).
Notice that any .aspx stuff isn't blocked. Not even download.aspx :P But the wtf is symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp\?docid=2004-120714-0643-99
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