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@HardwareGeek said:
Did you actually read topspin's description of the website? Ok, "the web didn't work" was an exaggeration; it was just one web site. But that site was undeniably utterly, completely, horribly broken without the ad blocker. That was not OCD on topspin's part (assuming his description of the site's behavior was accurate).
My fault, I did not see his reply. It does sound like a POS, but let's be serious here: how many sites are really like that? I really only encounter that kind of ads-on-ads-on-ads behavior on porn sites and warez/torrentz. And those are already a type of sociopathic behavior, so blocking ads probably isn't such a big deal there.
But blocking ads everywhere? C'mon, make an effort to be reasonable. I mean, I block Flash--not because of ads, but because Flash is a buggy piece of shit which chews memory and crashes my browser. And as a person whose made a living from ads, I understand that some people will block flash. But a lot of AMSes will fall back to image ads if Flash in unavailable, so it works out for everyone.
What angers me is the people who block all ads and then give some bullshit rationalization like "Well, ads don't work on me so they're not losing money" or "It's my computer, they have no right for their ads to show! #OccupyDoubleclick!!!111" What those people do is depriving honest people of compensation for their work, which is dick-ish. (I don't care if the Sonic the Hedgehog slashfic is poorly-written with unrealistic dialog and it promotes unhealthy body image for hedgehogs--you're the one reading it. The author deserves to be compensated, if that's her wish.)
And it only happens because nobody has yet invented a way to transmit shame over the Internet. The example I use: if a customer at 7-11 grabs all of the change out of the "take a penny, leave a penny" tray to buy his hot dog, that's clearly a dick move. Is it illegal? No, but common-fucking-decency dictates that you don't do stuff like that. (Also you don't do it in front of Morbs unless you want him to follow you back to your car and jam a rusty machete into your kidney..)
Just like you don't go up to the "free samples" at Costco and empty the whole tray into a garbage bag while saying "Hey kids, check this out, daddy found a way we can eat for free this week!" Only the most socially-mal-adapted fuckwits do stuff like that.
Except, I guess, on the Internet, Where We're All Socially-Mal-Adapted Fuckwits™.
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@morbiuswilters said:
I'm always kind of amazed when people make comments like this. Sure, ads can sometimes irritate me, but "I just can't use the web if there are ads" sounds like something a crazy person would say.
I've gotten away from using an actual ad blocker. When I come across a page where they have the green links that turn into a flash popup, however, I put them into my hosts file, since that's easier than tracking them down and killing them and their families and their pets. I haven't seen one in a while. I do similar things to astonishingly annoying flash ads, but this is very rare.
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@morbiuswilters said:
@Buttembly Coder said:
Ads can turn SFW pages into NSFW pages. That generally matches the "can't use" clause.
Bullshit. Unless you're already on an explicit page or a warez site, you aren't going to get adult ads.Bullshit bullshit. I've been on some blogs where stuff like NSFW dating site ads show up.
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@morbiuswilters said:
No, you provide a screenshot of a truly SFW site with NSFW ads.
I opened Chrome, which I don't have any adblocks on, and opened a single site. At best, there's an ad with a half-naked anime girl begging for my MMO (I think that's what the kids call it). One SFW site, one NSFW ad, and that's the tamest you can hope for. It's usually weight loss scams and "dating" sites.
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@morbiuswilters said:
But blocking ads everywhere? C'mon, make an effort to be reasonable.
And why exactly is it that I'm supposed to be reasonable and you aren't? (For the purposes of this discussion, "you" doesn't mean you personally, it refers to people who run websites).Yes, just automatically blocking everything is a bit excessive. But it is completely understandable. The problem is that the AdBlock Haters® are in complete denial about why adblocking software even exists in the first place. It wasn't created because somebody decided to be a dick and screw you out of ad revenue, it was created because you are an asshole who insists on cramming your pages full of as many annoying, obnoxious and intrusive ads as you possibly can. A few days ago I went to a website (mainstrean, not porn or warez) where I counted 11 ads on one page - ELEVEN - and all eleven of them were doing something that was annoying, obnoxious and/or distracting. Moving, bouncing, jumping, flashing or playing video (sometimes with blaring audio). That's why adblocking was created.
Don't blame me for adblocking. You created this problem and you have continued to make it worse and worse. And let's think about the logic behind this. "Nobody is clicking on our ads so we'll just keep making them more annoying and distracitng." In what bizzarro universe does that even make sense? My personal favorite, however, is "We're going to detect if you're blocking ads and not let you see our website". OK fine. Goodbye. Do you really not understand that if you were less of an asshole I wouldn't be blocking ads in the first place? Actually, you probably don't. Once again, complete denial about what the real problem is.
But the fact that the Adblock Haters® are in denial about all this isn't surprising. If you look closely you'll notice that the people complaining the most about adblocking aren't people who make money by selling legitimate products or services. No, the people screaming the loudest about adblocking are people whose websites are crammed full of ads that are 100% useless crap, scams and malware masquerading as legitimate programs.Your Flash Player is out of date -- Update Now!! Want to see this video? Download our video player!!
Why do you think the CPM rates for ads are so low? It's because everyone knows they are worthless garbage that nobody in their right mind would ever click on -- except by mistake.
So if you want to stop me from accessing your website because I'm blockng ads, go right ahead. I'm fine with that. Your website isn't so wonderful and compelling that I just have to see it. In fact, the world would be a much better place without you and all your flashing, bouncing, audio-blaring, scams and bullshit.
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@El_Heffe said:
Don't blame me for adblocking. You created this problem and you have continued to make it worse and worse. And let's think about the logic behind this. "Nobody is clicking on our ads so we'll just keep making them more annoying and distracitng." In what bizzarro universe does that even make sense?
It makes sense in the bizarro moral universe occupied by people who make a living out of monetizing lies on an industrial scale. Occupational hazard, really; work in that space for long enough, and ordinary empathy and basic human decency just wither and die (our own Morbius is a crystal clear example of the kind of twisted moral wreckage that results). The entire advertising industry is so fundamentally parasitic that finding its practitioners riddled with brain worms should not be a surprise.
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@El_Heffe said:
A few days ago I went to a website (mainstrean, not porn or warez) where I counted 11 ads on one page - ELEVEN - and all eleven of them were doing something that was annoying, obnoxious and/or distracting. Moving, bouncing, jumping, flashing or playing video (sometimes with blaring audio). That's why adblocking was created.
I agree sites with annoying ads are annoying. The solution isn't to block the ads, the solution is to stop visiting the site.
The problem is by blocking the ads, the site's traffic doesn't suffer from the bad advertising and their ad space becomes more valuable because they can show higher numbers to their advertisers. So you're making the entire Internet shittier for everybody by blocking ads. It's the world's worst mixed-message.
If a website sucks (for any reason, but especially because of bad advertising), the solution is to stop visiting the website. If a movie sucks, don't buy the movie. If a game sucks, don't play the game. It's not difficult, people.
@El_Heffe said:
You created this problem and you have continued to make it worse and worse.
How would you know? You block ads. For all you know, all the sites you visit already have nice advertising you could live with. Maybe they even promote products you'd be interested in, who knows? You block them by default, how the fuck are you the expert here?
@El_Heffe said:
And let's think about the logic behind this. "Nobody is clicking on our ads so we'll just keep making them more annoying and distracitng." In what bizzarro universe does that even make sense?
YOU ARE GIVING THEM MORE TRAFFIC FOR DOING SO, so why would you expect them to run fewer ads? Do you even understand the most basic concepts here?
@El_Heffe said:
My personal favorite, however, is "We're going to detect if you're blocking ads and not let you see our website". OK fine. Goodbye.
You SHOULD not be visiting the site in the first place, you freeloading asshole.
@El_Heffe said:
Do you really not understand that if you were less of an asshole I wouldn't be blocking ads in the first place? Actually, you probably don't.
THAT IS BECAUSE YOU ARE VISITING THE CONTENT. brain explodes. How do you not understand the concept here, it's so fucking simple!??!?!?!???!?!?!???!!!
@El_Heffe said:
Your website isn't so wonderful and compelling that I just have to see it.
Then don't fucking visit in the first place. Then you don't need AdBlock. Boom. Solution. Solved. Forever. Now go away.
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@flabdablet said:
It makes sense in the bizarro moral universe occupied by people who make a living out of monetizing lies on an industrial scale. Occupational hazard, really; work in that space for long enough, and ordinary empathy and basic human decency just wither and die (our own Morbius is a crystal clear example of the kind of twisted moral wreckage that results). The entire advertising industry is so fundamentally parasitic that finding its practitioners riddled with brain worms should not be a surprise.
Flabndablet really needs to get back on his meds, this is getting scary. This dude needs pills.
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And you know the worst part about the whole fucking thing? I don't have any issue with AdBlock existing. I really don't. More power to you. The only issue I have is with it blocking everything by default. AdBlock should be based on a blacklist, not on a whitelist concept. Because they fucking know, they know, nobody's gonna go out of their way to whitelist that shit.
So you end up in this ubershit situation where the good sites that run ads you like and are ok with and you want to support their free content get blocked just like everybody else. It's not about punishing the bad sites, it's about punishing EVERY site. BY DEFAULT. FROM THE MOMENT YOU INSTALL IT.
That's shitty.
If you remove the ability to separate good sites from bad sites, if you just drop a nuke on the whole thing, is it any wonder there's no improvement in the situation? How the fuck COULD there be? There's only two groups: nuked and non-nuked. There's zero correlation between "was I nuked?" and "does my advertising suck ass?"
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@boomzilla said:
@morbiuswilters said:
@Buttembly Coder said:
Ads can turn SFW pages into NSFW pages. That generally matches the "can't use" clause.
Bullshit. Unless you're already on an explicit page or a warez site, you aren't going to get adult ads.Bullshit bullshit. I've been on some blogs where stuff like NSFW dating site ads show up.
Then the blog mis-configured its ad networks or it contained explicit material on some other page. Ad networks tend to be pretty scrupulous about explicit content. Of course, they're more scrupulous in the other direction--nothing will get your ass in trouble faster than showing a Coke ad next to two dudes bonin'.
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@Lorne Kates said:
One SFW site, one NSFW ad, and that's the tamest you can hope for. It's usually weight loss scams and "dating" sites.
Since when is FB SFW? Seems to me most employers are more concerned with employees wasting 7 hours straight on Farmville than they are with a guy having a quick mid-afternoon jack.
I'm more concerned that FB apparently thinks you might like MMOs.. all of my FB ads are for Muslim dating sites and counterfeit watches from Eastern Europe*. The former because I liked a bunch of pages like "Jihad" and "The Qur'an" and "Death to pork eaters!" (no, seriously, that's the truth.) The latter is because Facebook may or may not be under the impression that I live in Eastern Europe.
(*Prospective Facebook investors might want to consider this information before buying stock.)
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@El_Heffe said:
It wasn't created because somebody decided to be a dick and screw you out of ad revenue, it was created because you are an asshole who insists on cramming your pages full of as many annoying, obnoxious and intrusive ads as you possibly can. A few days ago I went to a website (mainstrean, not porn or warez) where I counted 11 ads on one page - ELEVEN - and all eleven of them were doing something that was annoying, obnoxious and/or distracting. Moving, bouncing, jumping, flashing or playing video (sometimes with blaring audio). That's why adblocking was created.
Really? Then why not allow, say, the first four ads through? How come no ad-blocking software does that, AFAIK? If the intent is only to block really, really atrocious abusers of ads, then why is no effort made to block those 5% of sites and allow ads on the 95% of sites that advertise reasonably?
@El_Heffe said:
Why do you think the CPM rates for ads are so low?
I've gotten really great CPMs. They're only shitty for shitty sites.
@El_Heffe said:
Your website isn't so wonderful and compelling that I just have to see it.
So you're willing to steal it, but not pay for it? And you think people who run ads are assholes?
@El_Heffe said:
In fact, the world would be a much better place without you and all your flashing, bouncing, audio-blaring, scams and bullshit.
Do you know how I know you know nothing about Internet advertising? That sentence. First off, very few people block ads.
Second, I want you to think about what you just said. You seem to be under the impression that blocking people who are stealing my bandwidth is going to hurt my bottom line. Honestly, it makes me wonder if you understand business at all. "You don't want me to loiter in the parking lot of the 7/11 and never, ever, not once buy anything? Fine, enjoy going out of business!!!"
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@flabdablet said:
It makes sense in the bizarro moral universe occupied by people who make a living out of monetizing lies on an industrial scale. Occupational hazard, really; work in that space for long enough, and ordinary empathy and basic human decency just wither and die (our own Morbius is a crystal clear example of the kind of twisted moral wreckage that results). The entire advertising industry is so fundamentally parasitic that finding its practitioners riddled with brain worms should not be a surprise.
You sound a lot like a rapist trying to justify his crime. "She was begging for it!!!"
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@morbiuswilters said:
@flabdablet said:
This reply is proof of Rape Culture.It makes sense in the bizarro moral universe occupied by people who make a living out of monetizing lies on an industrial scale. Occupational hazard, really; work in that space for long enough, and ordinary empathy and basic human decency just wither and die (our own Morbius is a crystal clear example of the kind of twisted moral wreckage that results). The entire advertising industry is so fundamentally parasitic that finding its practitioners riddled with brain worms should not be a surprise.
You sound a lot like a rapist trying to justify his crime. "She was begging for it!!!"
Filed under: This post is proof of the Rape Culture., Today is "Make A Joke About Rape Day"
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@blakeyrat said:
It's not about punishing the bad sites, it's about punishing EVERY site. BY DEFAULT. FROM THE MOMENT YOU INSTALL IT.
Exactly. It's like those crazy old people who are fucking assholes to every cashier, store clerk or waiter they meet. You know the kind. And when you're like "Hey, flabdablet, why are you such a miserable dick to everyone?" he's like "WELL ONE TIME SOMEBODY YELLED AT ME SO NOW I JUST TREAT EVERYONE LIKE SHIT AS A PREVENTATIVE MEASURE!!!*"
I mean, really, it's demented.
You know what else it's like? People who don't tip. (TRIGGER WARNING: This video may be preceded by, followed by, or interrupted by ads. An ad might even appear near the bottom of the player WHILE THE VIDEO IS PLAYING. Those suffering from advertising PTSD should not click this link.)
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@Ben L. said:
@morbiuswilters said:
@flabdablet said:
This reply is proof of Rape Culture.It makes sense in the bizarro moral universe occupied by people who make a living out of monetizing lies on an industrial scale. Occupational hazard, really; work in that space for long enough, and ordinary empathy and basic human decency just wither and die (our own Morbius is a crystal clear example of the kind of twisted moral wreckage that results). The entire advertising industry is so fundamentally parasitic that finding its practitioners riddled with brain worms should not be a surprise.
You sound a lot like a rapist trying to justify his crime. "She was begging for it!!!"
Filed under: This post is proof of the Rape Culture., Today is "Make A Joke About Rape Day"
This reply is proof of Ape Culture.
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As a datapoint in the 'web is broken without an adblocker' vein, I use ABP on android because I started getting an ad that used an alert on a good many political sites I visit, and it pissed me off. I feel approximately 0.0000037% guilty about using ABP. Fix your ads if you don't want people to block them.
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@blakeyrat said:
The problem is by blocking the ads, the site's traffic doesn't suffer from the bad advertising and their ad space becomes more valuable because they can show higher numbers to their advertisers.
Some days you tell me that my blocking ads is depriving content creators of an income stream. Other days you tell me that my blocking ads is making content creators more valuable to advertisers. Which is it? You can't convincingly argue both sides of a flat contradiction.
@blakeyrat said:
So you're making the entire Internet shittier for everybody by blocking ads.
Even if your premise held water, which it doesn't, I'd only be making it shittier for idiots who refuse to block advertising on the completely spurious basis that encouraging the ongoing sale of lies intended to convince fools to pay more than they ought to for things they have no need for is in some way equivalent to not stealing. The rest of us will just keep blocking advertising because we understand full well that allowing it into our browsers has no upside whatsoever, and ignoring the tiny minority of sites that make such blocking even slightly difficult.
If I feel even a hint of shame about anything related to my blocking ads, it's for the frisson of delight I experience every time I think about how annoyed folks like you and Morbs seem to get over how easy it is to do. Don't ever change.
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@morbiuswilters said:
And you think people who run ads are assholes?
Not generally, no. The people who sell ads, on the other hand? Definitely.
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@morbiuswilters said:
I mean, really, it's demented
in some way that threatening to stab some dickhead in the kidneys with a machete is not?
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@arty said:
I use ABP on android because I started getting an ad that used an alert on a good many political sites I visit, and it pissed me off.
I use ABP on everything I can, because the web without advertising is just better. It just is. This is absolutely, 100% indisputably true, and anybody who says different is trying to sell you something (probably a bunch of shitty ads).
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@morbiuswilters said:
@Ben L. said:
Keep spanking that monkey.@morbiuswilters said:
@flabdablet said:
This reply is proof of Rape Culture.It makes sense in the bizarro moral universe occupied by people who make a living out of monetizing lies on an industrial scale. Occupational hazard, really; work in that space for long enough, and ordinary empathy and basic human decency just wither and die (our own Morbius is a crystal clear example of the kind of twisted moral wreckage that results). The entire advertising industry is so fundamentally parasitic that finding its practitioners riddled with brain worms should not be a surprise.
You sound a lot like a rapist trying to justify his crime. "She was begging for it!!!"
Filed under: This post is proof of the Rape Culture., Today is "Make A Joke About Rape Day"
This reply is proof of Ape Culture.
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@morbiuswilters said:
And when you're like "Hey, flabdablet, why are you such a miserable dick to everyone?" he's like "WELL ONE TIME SOMEBODY YELLED AT ME SO NOW I JUST TREAT EVERYONE LIKE SHIT AS A PREVENTATIVE MEASURE!!!*"
In fact the only people I ever interact with who do ask me why I'm such a miserable dick are fucked-in-the-head online blowhards like you, who think Wimmin All Suck and rape jokes are Teh Funneh and have long since burnt any moral credibility they might conceivably have been given the benefit of the doubt for. So in fact the only people I treat like shit are people like you who deserve nothing better.
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@flabdablet said:
@morbiuswilters said:
I mean, really, it's demented
in some way that threatening to stab some dickhead in the kidneys with a machete is not?That's not literal, it's a euphemism!
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@flabdablet said:
In fact the only people I ever interact with who do ask me why I'm such a miserable dick are fucked-in-the-head online blowhards like you, who think Wimmin All Suck and rape jokes are Teh Funneh and and have long since burnt any moral credibility they might conceivably have been given the benefit of the doubt for. So in fact the only people I treat like shit are people like you who deserve nothing better.
Man, you get sobby when you're off your Tim Tams..
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Not sobbing at all, and won't be off the Tim Tams again until tomorrow.
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Ads. Again. (was Re: C:\PROGRAM)
Has anyone raised "the effect of the bandwidth sucking properties of ads on with those with a per-byte data plans" vs "you shouldn't be consuming so much to start with then" yet? Or the "my equipment, my rules" vs "my content, my rules" argument?
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@El_Heffe said:
You created this problem and you have continued to make it worse and worse.
You have to separate the honest people making honest content and putting ads on their site, and the nefarious fuckpeople who create and distribute the actual ads.
I block only flash because:
a) it increases performance of websites
b) I hope it punishes the obonoxious flash-ad creators
c) I hope it comes up in their stats and they draw a conclusion like "flash ads don't get clicks or views. they don't work anymore. let's just do gifs, or images or text-only"
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@topspin said:
Nope, it was just that one single page opened no less than 4 popups. Granted, it wasn't the most "serious" website (no, not porn),
Wikia?
Those are awful.
But I need my pointless game information. :(
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@flabdablet said:
@blakeyrat said:
The problem is by blocking the ads, the site's traffic doesn't suffer from the bad advertising and their ad space becomes more valuable because they can show higher numbers to their advertisers.
Some days you tell me that my blocking ads is depriving content creators of an income stream. Other days you tell me that my blocking ads is making content creators more valuable to advertisers. Which is it? You can't convincingly argue both sides of a flat contradiction.
There is no contradiction. There is a diference between site owner and add creator.
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@morbiuswilters said:
Then the blog mis-configured its ad networks or it contained explicit material on some other page.
Maybe, but so fucking what? I work from home, so NSFW depends on stuff like if my kids are home or my wife's in the room, and it doesn't bother me personally too much. The worst was some sort of newsy site (like Newsmax, but not them) that had a picture of zombie Hillary! as part of the ad. It was really creepy. I can't find it now, but I hated having her staring at me like that.
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@serguey123 said:
@flabdablet said:
@blakeyrat said:
The problem is by blocking the ads, the site's traffic doesn't suffer from the bad advertising and their ad space becomes more valuable because they can show higher numbers to their advertisers.
Some days you tell me that my blocking ads is depriving content creators of an income stream. Other days you tell me that my blocking ads is making content creators more valuable to advertisers. Which is it? You can't convincingly argue both sides of a flat contradiction.
There is no contradiction. There is a diference between site owner and add creator.
No, it's worse than that. Blakey was saying that blocking ads hurts respectable sites and helps the truly scummy ones. Blakey's mistake was in thinking Flabdablet might be able to parse the English language or exercise a small amount of reasoning.
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@boomzilla said:
...a picture of zombie Hillary! as part of the ad. It was really creepy. I can't find it now, but I hated having her staring at me like that.
Yeah, any photo of Hillary is automatically NSFW. Unless I guess if you work at a plastic surgeon and you need some really dramatic "before" photos to advertise your work..
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This is your brain on Bolshevism:
@flabdablet said:
In fact the only people I ever interact with who do ask me why I'm such a miserable dick are fucked-in-the-head online blowhards like you, who think Wimmin All Suck and rape jokes are Teh Funneh and have long since burnt any moral credibility they might conceivably have been given the benefit of the doubt for.
It would be amusing if it weren't so sad to see someone apparently intelligent and so unable to communicate with people outside his collective.
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@blakeyrat said:
And you know the worst part about the whole fucking thing? I don't have any issue with AdBlock existing. I really don't. More power to you. The only issue I have is with it blocking everything by default. AdBlock should be based on a blacklist, not on a whitelist concept.
I don't know about Adblock, but Adblock Plus is entirely blacklist based, and that blacklist is empty by default. (It even has a non-empty default whitelist for "non-intrusive ads", which is the first thing I remove.)
Every time I come across an embedded resource that pisses me off, I add another filter to my blacklist. It currently has 666 entries. In conclusion, adblocking is literally Satan.
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@morbiuswilters said:
And when you're like "Hey, flabdablet, why are you such a miserable dick to everyone?" he's like "WELL ONE TIME SOMEBODY YELLED AT ME SO NOW I JUST TREAT EVERYONE LIKE SHIT AS A PREVENTATIVE MEASURE!!!*" I mean, really, it's demented.
Sounds like you.
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@dhromed said:
@morbiuswilters said:
And when you're like "Hey, flabdablet, why are you such a miserable dick to everyone?" he's like "WELL ONE TIME SOMEBODY YELLED AT ME SO NOW I JUST TREAT EVERYONE LIKE SHIT AS A PREVENTATIVE MEASURE!!!*" I mean, really, it's demented.
Sounds like you.
I only act like a dick to people who have earned it. I'm actually quite delightful to people who don't act like douchebags.
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Oh joy, another thread that's degenerated into FOISTING ADS ON USERS MAKES YOU LITERALLY WORSE THAN HITLER, STALIN, AND MAO EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T KILL MILLIONS OF PEOPLE versus BLOCKING ADS MAKES YOU LITERALLY WORSE THAN HITLER, STALIN, AND MAO EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T KILL MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.
Can we maybe, just maybe, agree that both sides have valid points? Here's my two Zimbabwean cents:
- the existence, and increase in use, of ad blocking software points to a fundamental flaw in the current web advertising strategy
- given the above, the reliance of websites on ads as a primary revenue stream is also fundamentally flawed
Don't know what the solution is, but there's definitely a deeper problem that neither side is addressing.
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@The_Assimilator said:
Agree with 1, disagree with 2. I love the amount of free content I can get, just by viewing some ads. I'd much rather that, then pay.Oh joy, another thread that's degenerated into FOISTING ADS ON USERS MAKES YOU LITERALLY WORSE THAN HITLER, STALIN, AND MAO EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T KILL MILLIONS OF PEOPLE versus BLOCKING ADS MAKES YOU LITERALLY WORSE THAN HITLER, STALIN, AND MAO EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T KILL MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.
Can we maybe, just maybe, agree that both sides have valid points? Here's my two Zimbabwean cents:
- the existence, and increase in use, of ad blocking software points to a fundamental flaw in the current web advertising strategy
- given the above, the reliance of websites on ads as a primary revenue stream is also fundamentally flawed
Don't know what the solution is, but there's definitely a deeper problem that neither side is addressing.
Do we think that every web user will start paying to use every site and view every piece of content, ad free?
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@The_Assimilator said:
- the existence, and increase in use, of ad blocking software points to a fundamental flaw in the current web advertising strategy
- given the above, the reliance of websites on ads as a primary revenue stream is also fundamentally flawed
Don't know what the solution is, but there's definitely a deeper problem that neither side is addressing.
Aye.
The existence of things like patreon shows that gratis ad-supported content is not quite the amazing business model it once was. Every single time I saw a comic artist announce they have a patreon, the blog post always has some form of "whoops guess I need to buy food after all!" They gots to get paid, son.
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@KillaCoda said:
disagree with 2. I love the amount of free content I can get, just by viewing some ads. I'd much rather that, then pay.
Do we think that every web user will start paying to use every site and view every piece of content, ad free?I do like my webcomics and youtubez, though.
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@morbiuswilters said:
I only act like a dick to people who have earned it. I'm actually quite delightful to people who don't act like douchebags.
I can vouch for this. Morbs routinely sends me greeting cards on all the major holidays and hand-painted watercolors for my birthday and Christmas. Granted, they're paintings of rabid wolverines raping my mutilated corpse, but they're still really moving.
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@bstorer said:
but they're still really moving.
Not the type of movement you want, though.
But if you have digestive problems, it might be the movement you need!
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@morbiuswilters said:
What angers me is the people who block all ads and then give some bullshit rationalization like "Well, ads don't work on me so they're not losing money" or "It's my computer, they have no right for their ads to show! #OccupyDoubleclick!!!111" What those people do is depriving honest people of compensation for their work, which is dick-ish.
Non sequitur. You can't just proceed straight to "people in the advertising business are honest people who deserve compensation for their work" without six to ten pages of argument first.
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@boomzilla said:
It would be amusing if it weren't so sad to see someone apparently intelligent and so unable to communicate with people outside his collective.
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@anotherusername said:
people in the advertising business are honest people who deserve compensation for their work
Not those people, dimwit. The website owners who create content and put ads on their site.
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@dhromed said:
For what it's worth, I do sling a few bucks a month on Patreon to content creators on Patreon, because I believe in supporting people who make good things. Blocking ads is entirely orthogonal to that, though.@The_Assimilator said:
- the existence, and increase in use, of ad blocking software points to a fundamental flaw in the current web advertising strategy
- given the above, the reliance of websites on ads as a primary revenue stream is also fundamentally flawed
Don't know what the solution is, but there's definitely a deeper problem that neither side is addressing.
Aye.
The existence of things like patreon shows that gratis ad-supported content is not quite the amazing business model it once was. Every single time I saw a comic artist announce they have a patreon, the blog post always has some form of "whoops guess I need to buy food after all!" They gots to get paid, son.
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@mikeTheLiar said:
@boomzilla said:
It would be amusing if it weren't so sad to see someone apparently intelligent and so unable to communicate with people outside his collective.
Touché. Except that at least my responses look like I read what the other guy wrote, no matter what I think about the ass from which the opinion was pulled. I guess flab's shoulder aliens are just too powerful. I mean, how do you see something like, "I think men and women are different," and translate in your head to, "I hate women and beat them when they have the audacity to address me." And when he gets called on it, he makes enigmatic posts to a video of a comedian talking about how someone he disagrees with is either retarded or just joking. I can't make up my mind if he's pulling a Jon Stewart-esque, "I'm just a comedian, not a serious person," or if he's talking to me.
It's like he's afraid to think about conflicting ideas. Which makes sense, because he's mostly wrong about social / political / economic stuff. He's much more confident and able to withstand disagreement on tech stuff.
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@joe.edwards said:
I do sling a few bucks a month on Patreon to content creators on Patreon
I have no clue what Patreon is, but I went to their about page and their, "How it works" section is a fucking video, so now I'm against it, whatever it is.
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@boomzilla said:
I have no clue what Patreon is, but I went to their about page and their, "How it works" section is a fucking video, so now I'm against it, whatever it is.
Subscription service for content creators.
