"PCs are dead and Microsoft is a goner, everyone will soon upgrade to a tablet/phone/Chromebook"
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@blakeyrat said:
@TimeBandit said:
Never used or saw a Zune. And I never saw anybody with a Zune either.I don't believe the measure of a good product would include this :
30GB Zunes Failing Everywhere, All At Once
But it is on par with that : Microsoft Azure Was Downed By Leap-Year Bug
The exact same thing happened to Sony with the PS3. Do you have that factoid in your little mental database ready to call up at a moment's notice? No? Why is that? What about this little gem from Apple just a few years ago?
Is it because you only keep this little mental database of "haha this company sux!!!" for Microsoft specifically? Are you worried at all that your posts here are demonstrating my exact point?
Serious question: have you ever used a Zune, or the Zune software?
To be honest, I try to stay as much away from Microsoft's buggy software as much as I can.
Still, I am amazed that Microsoft can't code date handling properly.
And watching Azure barf on itself because of leap year was really funny. Much greater impact than some iPhone alarm not triggering.
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@TimeBandit said:
Never used or saw a Zune. And I never saw anybody with a Zune either.
Of course not. So why did you immediately jump in and start making "LOL GUYZ ZUNE IS SO BAD!!!" jokes in this thread? What was the purpose of that? What do you think you gained from it?
@TimeBandit said:
To be honest, I try to stay as much away from Microsoft's buggy software as much as I can.
If you think Microsoft software is buggy compared to the alternatives, I can only assume you do not know what the word "buggy" means.
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@morbiuswilters said:
That was when I realized the tech media was completely run by people with the intelligence of crows who did nothing but gather piles of shiny objects.
Man, why you gotta insult the crows?
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@TimeBandit said:
Much greater impact than some iPhone alarm not triggering.
I have to agree with this. So a bunch of hipster Apple fanbois didn't get up at 11 am that morning. It's not like they were going to work or anything, they just missed The Price is Right.
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@blakeyrat said:
I still use the Zune software to manage my music, even though the hardware is dead.
I tried to use the Zune software to get a MP3 as ringtone to a client's Lumia 900. I was fighting the POS for nearly an hour, but the only thing I managed to do was to get the file to appear in about 15 copies on the phone (it couldn't be set as ringtone, despite following the instructions that said the file has to be 40 seconds or less, and have the genre set to ringtone).
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Someone paid you for an hour's labor to set a ring tone?
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@Snooder said:
@morbiuswilters said:
They're not legally Apple employees, but they're doing work on behalf of Apple so it's incumbent on Apple to be sure they're not buying slave labor. It's not like this would have been hard to verify or like Apple didn't know, they just didn't care.
Well, it wasn't really so much slave labor, as it was extremely heavy-handed security. Basically, there was a leak of the "new" iPhone4 and the guys at FoxConn basically took one of the employees into a back-room for an "investigation." He died later. The official (and most charitable) explanation is that the stress caused him to kill himself. The conspiracy theories floating around was that he was tortured to death by FoxConn security in order to keep on Apple's good side.There were plenty of other stories about FoxConn's working conditions. The point is the workers are treated badly and Apple got away with it for a long time solely because the press is so biased. And even when the story broke, the press couldn't wait to run the inevitable "Apple has pledged to make things better, yay Apple!" story.
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@DrakeSmith said:
@TimeBandit said:
Much greater impact than some iPhone alarm not triggering.
I have to agree with this. So a bunch of hipster Apple fanbois didn't get up at 11 am that morning. It's not like they were going to work or anything, they just missed The Price is Right.Which only illustrates the point: Apple makes toys, Microsoft makes tools. If Microsoft doesn't get it 100% right, there are dire consequences. Meanwhile, Apple can (and does) half-ass their way through everything but it doesn't matter because they are the most frivolous company in the world.
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@blakeyrat said:
Someone paid you for an hour's labor to set a ring tone?
I was there for other reasons, and was asked to set a ringtone while waiting for another party to arrive. I thought it'd be a simple matter - connect the phone, copy the file to it, set the file as ringtone. Turned out that WP7 doesn't have anything that simple.
And speaking of WP7 and Zune software that's used to manage it - it supports a backup function, which does back up the phone content all right - except that you can't actually restore that backup to anything other than the phone you made it from, and only if you didn't do a factory reset in between. I have no idea what use this backup is then (the backup is in a proprietary format, so you can't pull stuff out either).
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@dkf said:
No one company can serve every single niche for software — nor should they even think of trying — but that means you've got to make sure that other specialists can fill the gaps you can't. (Everyone and his dog can do the basic applications well enough.) In a very real sense, Steve Ballmer was not far off the truth when he went on about developers (using a broad interpretation of that term).
Reminds me of the very last time I ever agreed to waste time using a Mac laptop, about 5 years ago. We were doing some project for college that required some very trivial image editing, so I told my friend to just open up Paint (or the Mac equivalent) when I was informed that such luxuries didn't come pre-installed on Macs and needed to be downloaded separately. Since that was either (can't remember) impossible at the moment or too much of a hassle, we wound up spending ten times as long hacking something together with a graph utility in a word processing program.
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@TimeBandit said:
Never used or saw a Zune. And I never saw anybody with a Zune either.
Seven years ago I decided to buy my first mp3 player, so I drove to Best Buy and bought a shiny new ipod. Three days later I accidentally left a damp (not wet, damp) rag on top of it for maybe an hour and it just fucking died. Would not turn on at all.
Replaced it with a Zune the next day, and the thing still works perfectly fine today (except for a slightly weakened battery) despite having gone through more than its share of abuse
As a bonus, I never had to spend another second trying to figure out how the fuck to convert my mp3s into whatever bullshit format iTunes wanted them in before it'd let me play or upload them.
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@dookdook said:
As a bonus, I never had to spend another second trying to figure out how the fuck to convert my mp3s into whatever bullshit format iTunes wanted them in before it'd let me play or upload them.
I'm amazed how many people hate iTunes. I mean, I hate it, too, but I'm always shocked when people agree with me. I have friends who are like "Oh, I'd buy an iPod, but that would mean I'd have to use that fucking piece of shit iTunes again." And these aren't, like, super-techy people, just regular people who use a computer for fun and productivity.
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@morbiuswilters said:
I'm always shocked when people agree with me.
Well, I agree with whatever morbs just said!
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@morbiuswilters said:
@DrakeSmith said:
@TimeBandit said:
Much greater impact than some iPh<dfn class="dictionary-of-numbers">one alarm not triggering</dfn>.
I have to agree with this. So a bunch of hipster Apple fanbois didn't get up at<dfn class="dictionary-of-numbers"> 11 am that morning</dfn>. It's not like they were going to work or anything, they just missed The Price is Right.Which only illustrates the point: Apple makes toys, Microsoft makes tools. If Microsoft doesn't get it 100% right, there are dire consequences. Meanwhile, Apple can (and does) half-ass their way through everything but it doesn't matter because they are the most frivolous company in the world.
I'd like to hear your description of what IBM makes.
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@morbiuswilters said:
@Ben L. said:
Didn't they make board games for a while too?I'd like to hear your description of what IBM makes.
Consultants.
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@drurowin said:
Didn't they make board games for a while too?
I will say one thing about IBM: Ginni Rometty could curb stomp Marissa Mayer's Glamour-Shots-taking ass, rip out her ovaries and use them as bolas:
Using her hands, Rometty demonstrates how she separates the uterus from a human body.
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@blakeyrat said:
Windows Phone blows away iOS and Android right now. Blows them completely out of the water. But nobody will give the OS a chance, because it only has 47 flashlight apps instead of 47,000.
One big gripe I have had with WP is that how many features it is missing as I was used to Symbian (no matter what anyone says, Symbian was probably the most feature rich platform when it was alive. Android has most likely passed it by now). I upgraded my phone to WP8.1 last week and there are finally some features that should have been added years ago (like VPN, different sound levels and notification center). It's still missing things that should be no-brainer to add tho (like actually letting you enabling encryption on your phone without Exchange/similar forcing it). There are still things that I would wish to see (like more configuration options to VPN (it's weird. Like it doesn't seem to work when assigning only IPv6 address and it's asking what addresses should be going thru VPN instead of just letting the server push the routes) and SMB browser)
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@morbiuswilters said:
@dookdook said:
First off, I have no idea what the fuck that guy is talking about. There is no "converting" of mp3 files involved.As a bonus, I never had to spend another second trying to figure out how the fuck to convert my mp3s into whatever bullshit format iTunes wanted them in before it'd let me play or upload them.
I'm amazed how many people hate iTunes. I mean, I hate it, too, but I'm always shocked when people agree with me. I have friends who are like "Oh, I'd buy an iPod, but that would mean I'd have to use that fucking piece of shit iTunes again." And these aren't, like, super-techy people, just regular people who use a computer for fun and productivity.
Other than that, iTures is quite possibly the worst piece of shit ever. I received an iPod as a Christmas gift a couple of years ago - my first and only Apple product ever. I knew Apple's stuff was horrendously over-priced, but I was really shocked at just how shitty iTunes is (and it's nearly impossible to use an iPod without iTunes**). It makes the worst open source shit look like pure genius.
** Yes there are other programs which claim to be replacements for iTunes, and they are just as horrendouly bad, just in different ways.
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@morbiuswilters said:
these aren't, like, super-techy people, just regular people who use a computer for fun and productivity.
but but
I use the computer for that as well
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@El_Heffe said:
@morbiuswilters said:
@dookdook said:
First off, I have no idea what the fuck that guy is talking about. There is no "converting" of mp3 files involved.As a bonus, I never had to spend another second trying to figure out how the fuck to convert my mp3s into whatever bullshit format iTunes wanted them in before it'd let me play or upload them.
I'm amazed how many people hate iTunes. I mean, I hate it, too, but I'm always shocked when people agree with me. I have friends who are like "Oh, I'd buy an iPod, but that would mean I'd have to use that fucking piece of shit iTunes again." And these aren't, like, super-techy people, just regular people who use a computer for fun and productivity.
There used to be. If I remember correctly it was something like iTunes refusing to upload mp3s to an iPod if it wasn't converted to Apple's format.
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I have a family member who purchases music via iTunes though he doesn't have any Apple hardware. The best way we could find to get stuff out of iTunes and onto his MP3 player was to burn songs to a CD using iTunes, then rip them off the CD using Windows Media Player, and finally allow Windows Media Player to sync to the hardware.
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iTunes has to be the #1 reason I will never own an iPod. My wife owns one, and it's great. As long as you don't have to do anything like put music on it. Which is kinda what I would want to do with an mp3 player.
My wife's technical level is a nice cross-section of "just wants something that fucking works and is easy" and "administers her own website and has taught Grade 9 'intro to computer' courses". So she is both the target audience for something like iTunes, but also knowledgable enough to explore settings and make shit work.
About once a week, this happens:
1) We get back from dance class. She wants to go for a cooldown walk, and at the same time listen to whatever song was in this week's routine
2) She obtains the song, either from the store, or it's some weird dance remix, so an mp3 from a youtube downloader
3) 45 minutes of her swearing at iTunes because first it needs to update completely (WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU UPDATING? You worked just fine yesterday! I just want to transfer a song!), and then it loses all her playlists (WHERE DID MY 'walking music' LIST GO?). Then she needs to import the track into iTunes (WHERE THE HELL DID THE BUTTON GO?). Then it needs to synch or something-- but you can't just sync a single song, it has to fondle every tune on the computer first. ("WHY ARE YOU SYNCHRONIZING MY 'relaxation' PLAYLIST?!?").
4) Usually add about 15 minutes of randomly unplugging and replugging the ipod into the computer to force iTunes to actually find the fucking thing. Every now and then she has to turn off Windows Firewall because for some reason iTunes fucks up so badly that that is the only solution.
5) About an hour later, finally goes for a walk with one new song added to ipod. Cooldown walk now becomes angry stomp walk, usually muttering "In an ideal world Steve Jobs would have survived the cancer so I could STAB HIM IN THE PANCREAS MYSELF!"
I cannot fathom how iTunes is accepted by the "it's simple and works" crowd. It's the world's most powerful source of cognitive dissonance I've ever witnessed.
I wouldn't want to touch any device that didn't just plug into a USB port, expose a file system, and let me copy mp3 files directly. I used to think that was just be being too finicky to use a music management software like iTunes. And then I saw iTunes in action. Jesus's re-risen dead dick, that thing is awful.
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@Lorne Kates said:
I cannot fathom how iTunes is accepted by the "it's simple and works" crowd. It's the world's most powerful source of cognitive dissonance I've ever witnessed.
YOU'RE HOLDING IT WRONG!!!
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@Lorne Kates said:
I cannot fathom how iTunes is accepted by the "it's simple and works" crowd. It's the world's most powerful source of cognitive dissonance I've ever witnessed.
It's pretty simple:
- They use iTunes and an iPod, it's annoying, but whne the stars align, it does at least work.
- They get fed up with it at some point, and decide to try some other music playing device.
- They plug that device in, and then try to put music on it with iTunes.
- After recovering from the surgery and burying their loved ones, they decide that other music players don't work, but that their iPod totally does.
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@morbiuswilters said:
I would just like to add: I'm on my second Android phone. It is so awful that I'm pretty sure my next phone will be a dumbphone. Seriously, I would rather use a Jitterbug than deal with Google's half-baked shit anymore.
I already did it. The only app of note that I used was a GPS/maps type app and I realized I could buy a stand alone GPS gadget for the same price that I was paying per-month for the phone. Everything else on the phone was an expensive digital toy.
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@Lorne Kates said:
iTunes has to be the #1 reason I will never own an iPod.
I own an iPod; it was a hand-me-down from my daughter when she got an iPhone. I have not added any music to it, because in order to do so I have to allow iTunes to delete everything that was on it when she gave it to me. While her taste in music is somewhat different than mine, I like a lot of the music on it, and want to keep it. I've been told iTunes won't actually follow through on its threat to wipe the device, but so far I haven't been willing to put that to the test.Of course, I could log into her iTunes account (I think she even told me her password once), but that has disadvantages, too. She would also get everything I added, and I don't thing she really wants 16 hours of Wagner filling the memory of her phone. :)
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@HardwareGeek said:
I have not added any music to it, because in order to do so I have to allow iTunes to delete everything that was on it when she gave it to me
You can copy the music to your computer (using iTunes, of course) then let iTunes manage this iPad (this will clean it), and copy the music back.
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@Lorne Kates said:
iTunes has to be the #1 reason I will never own an iPod. My wife owns one, and it's great. As long as you don't have to do anything like put music on it. Which is kinda what I would want to do with an mp3 player.
Use "Manage music manually", or whatever the option is called, and you'll be happy.
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@HardwareGeek said:
@Lorne Kates said:
Or you could just manage it with Yamipod, which doesn't do the tie-it-to-one-PC-or-one-Apple-ID bullshit.iTunes has to be the #1 reason I will never own an iPod.
I own an iPod; it was a hand-me-down from my daughter when she got an iPhone. I have not added any music to it, because in order to do so I have to allow iTunes to delete everything that was on it when she gave it to me. While her taste in music is somewhat different than mine, I like a lot of the music on it, and want to keep it. I've been told iTunes won't actually follow through on its threat to wipe the device, but so far I haven't been willing to put that to the test.Of course, I could log into her iTunes account (I think she even told me her password once), but that has disadvantages, too. She would also get everything I added, and I don't thing she really wants 16 hours of Wagner filling the memory of her phone. :)
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@flabdablet said:
Or you could just manage it with Yamipod, which doesn't do the tie-it-to-one-PC-or-one-Apple-ID bullshit.
Hadn't heard of that. Bookmarked to look into it later. Thanks.
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@dhromed said:
@morbiuswilters said:
these aren't, like, super-techy people, just regular people who use a computer for fun and productivity.
but but
I use the computer for that as well
Okay: people who don't use a computer for sRGB vs. Adobe RGB flamewars.
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@Lorne Kates said:
We get back from dance class.
Fuck the OP, this thread is now about Lorne dancing.
@Lorne Kates said:
Cooldown walk now becomes angry stomp walk, usually muttering "In an ideal world Steve Jobs would have survived the cancer so I could STAB HIM IN THE PANCREAS MYSELF!"
Your wife sounds amazing. Is she available?
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@Lorne Kates said:
"In an ideal world Steve Jobs would have survived the cancer so I could STAB HIM IN THE PANCREAS MYSELF!"
<font size="4">QFT.</font>
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@Lorne Kates said:
I cannot fathom how iTunes is accepted by the "it's simple and works" crowd.
While iTunes is utterly shit on Windows, it's merely not very nice on OSX.I do remember one version of it where it would take up nearly a CPU core's worth of processing power even when minimized, just to scroll the name of the song. Even if the song name didn't need scrolling in the first place. Figuring out that that was what was going on (from looking at stack traces) was one of those moments where I would have been busy with the pancreas knife too.
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@El_Heffe said:
@morbiuswilters said:
@dookdook said:
First off, I have no idea what the fuck that guy is talking about. There is no "converting" of mp3 files involved.As a bonus, I never had to spend another second trying to figure out how the fuck to convert my mp3s into whatever bullshit format iTunes wanted them in before it'd let me play or upload them.
I'm amazed how many people hate iTunes. I mean, I hate it, too, but I'm always shocked when people agree with me. I have friends who are like "Oh, I'd buy an iPod, but that would mean I'd have to use that fucking piece of shit iTunes again." And these aren't, like, super-techy people, just regular people who use a computer for fun and productivity.
Other than that, iTures is quite possibly the worst piece of shit ever. I received an iPod as a Christmas gift a couple of years ago - my first and only Apple product ever. I knew Apple's stuff was horrendously over-priced, but I was really shocked at just how shitty iTunes is (and it's nearly impossible to use an iPod without iTunes**). It makes the worst open source shit look like pure genius.
** Yes there are other programs which claim to be replacements for iTunes, and they are just as horrendouly bad, just in different ways.
I remember the official software for managing a mini-disc player being roughly as awful as iTunes. I don't recall the name as I have apparently suppressed it for my own sanity. The last version released was usable enough that I could provide an mp3 and it would be converted to the appropriate format to write to the disc. At some previous point in time/software, the person I inherited it from managed to write some mp3 files directly to the disc. I can't even imagine how that happened since that generation of players could not a) play mp3 files or b) be used as data storage.
I still have the player and discs somewhere, but the computer I had it synced to is out of commission. Even if I installed the software on my current machine, I don't think it does me any good as you can only erase tracks from the disc using the original sync machine.
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@lincoln said:
mini-disc
I remember the first time I ever saw a mini-disc, in Middle School. I was like "Wowwww, this is the future!"
Which just goes to show: children are idiots.
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@lincoln said:
I remember the official software for managing a mini-disc player being roughly as awful as iTunes. I don't recall the name as I have apparently suppressed it for my own sanity. The last version released was usable enough that I could provide an mp3 and it would be converted to the appropriate format to write to the disc. At some previous point in time/software, the person I inherited it from managed to write some mp3 files directly to the disc. I can't even imagine how that happened since that generation of players could not a) play mp3 files or b) be used as data storage.
i think it was called Sony SonicStage. Possibly a bigger piece of shit than iTunes. If you didn't want to use that steaming pile of fail there was only one other option for getting music onto your minidisc player -- a plugin for RealPlayer. And it actually sucked less than the official Sony Software (other than the fact you had to install RealPlayer which was a gigantic clusterfuck all in itself)..
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@El_Heffe said:
RealPlayer
RealPlayer.. has any other piece of software inspired so much PTSD? When I try to mentally picture the RealPlayer logo, my skin crawls.
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@morbiuswilters said:
has any other piece of software inspired so much PTSD?
Sony SonicStage was mentioned up-thread…
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@morbiuswilters said:
Okay: people who don't use a computer for sRGB vs. Adobe RGB flamewars
but but
I don't use teh compooter for that because I think color spaces are stupid.
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@Lorne Kates said:
I wouldn't want to touch any device that didn't just plug into a USB port, expose a file system, and let me copy mp3 files directly
This a thousand times. I despise software that gets in your way "to make things easier"... Basically, iTunes is that stupid MS paperclip, expanded into an entire media manager tool thing.
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@KillaCoda said:
@Lorne Kates said:
This a thousand times. I despise software that gets in your way "to make things easier"... Basically, iTunes is that stupid MS paperclip, expanded into an entire media manager tool thing.I wouldn't want to touch any device that didn't just plug into a USB port, expose a file system, and let me copy mp3 files directly
Unfortunately, the USB mass storage device class standard (TRWTF) basically prevents this from working right. It exposes the device at the sector level, not the file system level, so your PC and your phone can't have the storage device's file system mounted at the same time or else horrible things will happen. Rather than simply create a new USB device class that did file transfers in some filesystem-agnostic manner, they created the byzantine mess that is the USB Media Transfer Protocol.
This is why iTunes sync is required for your iPhone, and why early Android phones partitioned their storage space into two blocks and wouldn't let the phone's software access one of them while it was plugged in, and why later Android phones don't do the mass storage device thing at all, and why Zunes only work on Windows, and so on.
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@blakeyrat said:
The same happens on forums and other discussions. How many of the people making fun of Vista's crappiness had never even used Vista? (Hint: an extremely high proportion.)
Spoiler alert: Windows 7 is pretty much Vista SP3 and Microsoft didn't really "fix" anything. They just waited until the OEMs stopped selling toasters, Nvidia figured out the whole driver thing and devs realised that they shouldn't require admin rights by default or else UAC happens. Then they slapped a new name on the next service pack and made bank.
The exact same thing is happening with Windows 8. The next Update will bring the start menu back, at which point there will be no good reason to hate Windows 8 anymore, but people are going to make fun of it anyway until Microsoft changes the 8 to a 9 and suddenly it will be hailed as the best OS ever.
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@Brother Laz said:
I loved Vista. Only recently upgraded (never used 7 at home). Got a fairly powerful PC for college back in 2007 and found to be a great OS. I reckon people just ran it on crap machines (toasters as you said) and got a poor experience.@blakeyrat said:
The same happens on forums and other discussions. How many of the people making fun of Vista's crappiness had never even used Vista? (Hint: an extremely high proportion.)
Spoiler alert: Windows 7 is pretty much Vista SP3 and Microsoft didn't really "fix" anything. They just waited until the OEMs stopped selling toasters, Nvidia figured out the whole driver thing and devs realised that they shouldn't require admin rights by default or else UAC happens. Then they slapped a new name on the next service pack and made bank.
The exact same thing is happening with Windows 8. The next Update will bring the start menu back, at which point there will be no good reason to hate Windows 8 anymore, but people are going to make fun of it anyway until Microsoft changes the 8 to a 9 and suddenly it will be hailed as the best OS ever.
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@Brother Laz said:
@blakeyrat said:
The same happens on forums and other discussions. How many of the people making fun of Vista's crappiness had never even used Vista? (Hint: an extremely high proportion.)
Spoiler alert: Windows 7 is pretty much Vista SP3 and Microsoft didn't really "fix" anything. They just waited until the OEMs stopped selling toasters, Nvidia figured out the whole driver thing and devs realised that they shouldn't require admin rights by default or else UAC happens. Then they slapped a new name on the next service pack and made bank.
The exact same thing is happening with Windows 8. The next Update will bring the start menu back, at which point there will be no good reason to hate Windows 8 anymore, but people are going to make fun of it anyway until Microsoft changes the 8 to a 9 and suddenly it will be hailed as the best OS ever.
Now, hang the fuck on. Microsoft specified a set of minimum system requirements that an OEM could meet in order to label their systems "Windows Vista Capable". If those systems were not, in fact, capable, whose fault is that? Microsoft could have specified the actual system requirements instead of lowballing them in order to placate their OEMs. Then they wouldn't have ruined the reputation of their flagship product.
(Also, I'm pretty sure there were actual performance improvements between Vista and 7; anecdotally, Vista ran like crap on my crappy little EEEpc that I had at the time, and 7 ran adequately. But I don't have anything other than anecdote to back that up so maybe it was something else.)
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“Vista Capable” didn’t mean “Aero Capable” but people insisted on turning on Aero and then bitching when performance sucked.
Also yes, 7 did run better than Vista did on the same hardware, at least in some cases.
People, and it seems especially tech “journalists,” too often equate “different” with “sucks.”
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So what you're saying is, they should have had the stickers read "Vista Barely Adequate" so that the customers didn't get confused? (Also, I'm pretty sure Aero was enabled by default.)
Look, nobody actually cares what the tech-savvy population thinks, and we're the only ones that read tech journalism. My technologically illiterate relative just wanted to know why the new computer she got on clearance was running slower than the three-year-old machine that it replaced. Downgrading the machine to XP "fixed" it. That's the message that gets taken away for them. They don't give a shit that the neckbeard gaming rig that I built around the same time runs Vista just fine.
Microsoft botched the launch of their most important product. Happens to any company that's in business long enough to have several product launches.
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@aristurtle said:
Also, I'm pretty sure there were actual performance improvements between Vista and 7
The main problem with Vista was that it ran slowly during the first few weeks of usage, while the superfetch data was being collected. It got faster after a while, but by then most people already gave up, especially on slower hardware.
@Sir Twist said:“Vista Capable” didn’t mean “Aero Capable”
It did originally, but then Intel whined, when they found out they weren't able to produce Aero-capable drivers for their 915 chipset.
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@ender said:
The main problem with Vista was that it ran slowly during the first few weeks of usage, while the superfetch data was being collected.
I do not understand how anyone ever at all noticed this if I did not notice it.
What I'm saying is that my new Vista system was not ever slow by any standard.
Well, it is now, after being in use for years at work, installing, uninstalling, running services and servers, and McAfee, etc. but I assure you it had that special Fast New Computer feel when I first got it.
