DONT LISTEN TO THE MODS THEY ARE <strike>FACIST NAZIS</strike> ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS AND NOT AT ALL GIVEN TO CENSORSHIP
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@bstorer said:
It is a triumph of TDWTF that we have turned a thread about fascist Nazi mods into a discussion of anime.
If you could go back in time, would you kill the guy who invented anime?
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@boomzilla said:
@bstorer said:
I'd switch him and Hitler. Hitler gets to be an artist, the anime guy gets to commit horrible atrocities. Everybody wins.It is a triumph of TDWTF that we have turned a thread about fascist Nazi mods into a discussion of anime.
If you could go back in time, would you kill the guy who invented anime?
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Drat, my brilliant plot to censor this thread with sparkles and happiness has been foiled!
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@bstorer said:
@boomzilla said:
@bstorer said:
I'd switch him and Hitler. Hitler gets to be an artist, the anime guy gets to commit horrible atrocities. Everybody wins.It is a triumph of TDWTF that we have turned a thread about fascist Nazi mods into a discussion of anime.
If you could go back in time, would you kill the guy who invented anime?
What if... this has already happened and we're living in that timeline?
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@bstorer said:
@boomzilla said:
@bstorer said:
I'd switch him and Hitler. Hitler gets to be an artist, the anime guy gets to commit horrible atrocities. Everybody wins.It is a triumph of TDWTF that we have turned a thread about fascist Nazi mods into a discussion of anime.
If you could go back in time, would you kill the guy who invented anime?
Hitler was an artist, and anime is a horrible atrocity.
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@dhromed said:
@bstorer said:
@boomzilla said:
@bstorer said:
I'd switch him and Hitler. Hitler gets to be an artist, the anime guy gets to commit horrible atrocities. Everybody wins.It is a triumph of TDWTF that we have turned a thread about fascist Nazi mods into a discussion of anime.
If you could go back in time, would you kill the guy who invented anime?
What if... this has already happened and we're living in that timeline?
I think what you're trying to say is that if anime didn't exist then Hitler would have to invent it.
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@bstorer said:
@galgorah said:
Actually I was speaking and/or helping organize SQLSaturdays in all those locations. Except the carribean. That was SQLCruise. The little guy was born in my hometown of Boston.Vegas actually. Before that Richmond, Cleveland, and the carribean
Man, it's like you're going through my bucket list of places to see. And the Caribbean, too.
@galgorah said:Oh and I hath spawned....
Oh, well that explains why you went to Cleveland, then. If you have a kid in Cleveland, you can rest assured that they've already hit rock bottom, and their life can't get any worse.Why would Cleveland be on your bucket list?
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@galgorah said:
@bstorer said:
Because he uses the bucket for cleaning stables?@galgorah said:
Actually I was speaking and/or helping organize SQLSaturdays in all those locations. Except the carribean. That was SQLCruise. The little guy was born in my hometown of Boston.Vegas actually. Before that Richmond, Cleveland, and the carribean
Man, it's like you're going through my bucket list of places to see. And the Caribbean, too.
@galgorah said:Oh and I hath spawned....
Oh, well that explains why you went to Cleveland, then. If you have a kid in Cleveland, you can rest assured that they've already hit rock bottom, and their life can't get any worse.Why would Cleveland be on your bucket list?
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@bstorer said:
@serguey123 said:
@Snooder said:
It is a triumph of TDWTF that we have turned a thread about fascist Nazi mods into a discussion of anime.Yeah, I like novel-length stuff in manga too, but in anime it just gets irrating as fuck when the plot can't keep up with the pace of the episodes. Or you end up with Bleach.
I tend to skip the anime all together and either read the ligh novels or the manga, with anime I always pick short series, 24 episodes top because I fucking hate fillers and long pointless scenes only there for fluff. Long running series like Bleach, One Piece and Naruto I stopped watching a looooong time ago, maybe I'll read the manga when it is finished but it was getting retarded so I decided to stop wasting my time. As a tip, korean web mahnwas are perfect to read on a phone.Just like that hobo I ran over repeatedly and then whose bindle I stole, I can't help thinking I deserve a bit of the blame for what has happened.
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@galgorah said:
Why would Cleveland be on your bucket list?
Wait, a bucket list is a list of things you'd rather die than do, right? I didn't see the movie, because I can't deal with the idea that one day Morgan Freeman might die. WHO WILL TELL ME WHAT ANIMALS ARE DOING WHEN HE'S GONE?!
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@morbiuswilters said:
Just like that hobo I ran over repeatedly and then whose bindle I stole, I can't help thinking I deserve a bit of the blame for what has happened.
That was totally his fault. If he had bothered to check the park he was walking through to make sure no cars were gunning toward him with their lights off, he might still be alive. And if his bindle hadn't been full of such quality items as a half-eaten can of beans and three pages ripped from a women's fitness magazine, you wouldn't have been forced to steal it. So in conclusion, those things happened because Obama let them happen.
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@morbiuswilters said:
Screw that, I'm in the mood for something artistic, like VideoDhrome.
I could not look at a VHS Cassette for MONTHS after seeing that movie.....
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@TheCPUWizard said:
@morbiuswilters said:
Screw that, I'm in the mood for something artistic, like VideoDhrome.
I could not look at a VHS Cassette for MONTHS after seeing that movie.....
I have not looked at a VHS Cassette for months. Or for that matter, any other form of optical or magnetic media.
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@TheCPUWizard said:
@morbiuswilters said:
Screw that, I'm in the mood for something artistic, like VideoDhrome.
I could not look at a VHS Cassette for MONTHS after seeing that movie.....Yeah, it made it really hard for me to pull a flesh-gun out of my gaping stomach wound too.
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@Ben L. said:
@TheCPUWizard said:
@morbiuswilters said:
Screw that, I'm in the mood for something artistic, like VideoDhrome.
I could not look at a VHS Cassette for MONTHS after seeing that movie.....
I have not looked at a VHS Cassette for months. Or for that matter, any other form of optical or magnetic media.
No hard drives?
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@morbiuswilters said:
@Ben L. said:
@TheCPUWizard said:
@morbiuswilters said:
Screw that, I'm in the mood for something artistic, like VideoDhrome.
I could not look at a VHS Cassette for MONTHS after seeing that movie.....
I have not looked at a VHS Cassette for months. Or for that matter, any other form of optical or magnetic media.
No hard drives?
Generally those are inside of things I looked at.
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@TheCPUWizard said:
I could not look at a VHS Cassette for MONTHS after seeing that movie.....
A lot of people have that problem . . . . .
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@HardwareGeek said:
Apparently, someone has, for some reason known only to its twisted brain (and possibly only imagined therein), taken a dislike to TDWTF. But, having the intellect of a 3-year-old, instead of being sensible and simply rage-quitting, it insists on telling the rest of us how terrible it is — except that it is incapable of formulating any comprehensible statement why it thinks TDWTF is so awful.
Oh, so it's just a new TDWTF regular. :)
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@dhromed said:
@bstorer said:
@boomzilla said:
@bstorer said:
I'd switch him and Hitler. Hitler gets to be an artist, the anime guy gets to commit horrible atrocities. Everybody wins.It is a triumph of TDWTF that we have turned a thread about fascist Nazi mods into a discussion of anime.
If you could go back in time, would you kill the guy who invented anime?
What if... this has already happened and we're living in that timeline?
In the other timeline, hitler/nazi posts turning to anime meant the usenet discussion must come to an end.
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@mikeTheLiar said:
Operation Barbarosaa?
That is the tip of the iceberg, there is also Hetalia Axis, which is an anime where countries are people during wwII, there is also another where Hitler is a little girl trying to conquer the world of schools a tank battle at a time, etc... so yeah, japanese are weird. There is also one where Budda and Jesus hang in an appartment together and hijinks ensue, I sense a reality show material right there.
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@serguey123 said:
@mikeTheLiar said:
I don't have to deal with our Japanese customers (or any customers, and all concerned are happier that way), but some of my coworkers do, and I hear stories. I realize there are big cultural differences between Japan and the West, but this is just... so... so... different... that just culture seems insufficient to explain it. It makes me wonder, during their centuries of self-imposed isolation on their islands, did they evolve different neurochemistry, or something?Operation Barbarosaa?
That is the tip of the iceberg, there is also Hetalia Axis, which is an anime where countries are people during wwII, there is also another where Hitler is a little girl trying to conquer the world of schools a tank battle at a time, etc... so yeah, japanese are weird. There is also one where Budda and Jesus hang in an appartment together and hijinks ensue, I sense a reality show material right there.
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@HardwareGeek said:
I don't have to deal with our Japanese customers (or any customers, and all concerned are happier that way), but some of my coworkers do, and I hear stories. I realize there are big cultural differences between Japan and the West, but this is just... so... so... different... that just culture seems insufficient to explain it. It makes me wonder, during their centuries of self-imposed isolation on their islands, did they evolve different neurochemistry, or something?
It's not all that strange as long as you remember that Japan was isolated from the western conflict in WWII. And, unlike Germany which wallows in its culpability, their history classes tend to ignore it as much possible to avoid having to come to grips with the messed up shit they did.
So to the Japanese, making a comedy loosely based on WWII with Hitler used mostly for the name recognition is like Hollywood making a wacky romantic comedy about Kim Jong Il or Idi Amin or some other horrific dictator that massacred lots of people.
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@HardwareGeek said:
It makes me wonder, during their centuries of self-imposed isolation on their islands, did they evolve different neurochemistry, or something?
Funnily some of the weird stuff like tentacle porn and their fixation on panties is due to the influence of westerner so there is that
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@serguey123 said:
@HardwareGeek said:
It makes me wonder, during their centuries of self-imposed isolation on their islands, did they evolve different neurochemistry, or something?
Funnily some of the weird stuff like tentacle porn and their fixation on panties is due to the influence of westerner so there is thatAnd all those cool nukes America has traces back to the influence of the Japanese! Isn't multiculturalism awesome?
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@Snooder said:
And, unlike Germany which wallows in its culpability, their history classes tend to ignore it as much possible to avoid having to come to grips with the messed up shit they did.
It's more this than anything. The Japanese still pretty widely deny things like the Rape of Nanking. And they have a long history of doing awful stuff like honoring WWII war criminals and such. And now they're re-militarizing and gearing up for conflict with China.
Also, I don't think the Germans wallow nearly as much as you think they do, especially the younger generations. And I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing--wallowing in collective guilt rarely accomplishes anything and can be quite harmful. It's similar to the "all white people are guilty of slavery, even if they were born well after it ended, their ancestors never owned slaves, they were only ever harmed by the institution and some of their ancestors gave their lives fighting it." It strikes me as morally dishonest, but also impractical and frequently harmful.
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@morbiuswilters said:
.. wallowing in collective guilt rarely accomplishes anything and can be quite harmful. It's similar to the "all white people are guilty of slavery, even if they were born well after it ended, their ancestors never owned slaves, they were only ever harmed by the institution and some of their ancestors gave their lives fighting it." It strikes me as morally dishonest, but also impractical and frequently harmful.
I agree with everything morbs just said. Seriously though, to extend on this point, I would guess that some cultures confuse guilt with learning from the mistakes of their cultural ancestors. A white person doesn't have to feel guilty about the racism of others (unless they caused it), but it's in the interests of our evolution as a species to oppose racism anyway.
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@Shoreline said:
@morbiuswilters said:
.. wallowing in collective guilt rarely accomplishes anything and can be quite harmful. It's similar to the "all white people are guilty of slavery, even if they were born well after it ended, their ancestors never owned slaves, they were only ever harmed by the institution and some of their ancestors gave their lives fighting it." It strikes me as morally dishonest, but also impractical and frequently harmful.
I agree with everything morbs just said. Seriously though, to extend on this point, I would guess that some cultures confuse guilt with learning from the mistakes of their cultural ancestors. A white person doesn't have to feel guilty about the racism of others (unless they caused it), but it's in the interests of our evolution as a species to oppose racism anyway.
And to extend that, collective guilt is often used as the very justification of things like racism. Way back in Bible Times some group of people fucked with the Jews so they wrote in a rule that slavery was A-OK if it was practiced against those people. Flash forward to the empires of Europe and now it's used as justification for enslaving dark-skinned folk.
Same thing with the Holocaust: anti-semites used accusations of (usually fabricated) sins of some Jews, added a little collective guilt, and arrived at the conclusion all Jews deserved to be punished because even if they didn't do anything wrong themselves they were part of a culture which had people who had done bad things (once again, most of which were just made up, anyway.)
Post-WWII the US and Britain were gearing up to commit some post-war atrocities in the name of collective guilt. The Cold War intervened and the Western powers realized Germany and Japan could prove to be useful allies and so decided to rebuild them instead of grinding them into the dirt.
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@serguey123 said:
@mikeTheLiar said:
More fun Japanese TV (NSFW)Operation Barbarosaa?
That is the tip of the iceberg, there is also Hetalia Axis, which is an anime where countries are people during wwII, there is also another where Hitler is a little girl trying to conquer the world of schools a tank battle at a time, etc... so yeah, japanese are weird. There is also one where Budda and Jesus hang in an appartment together and hijinks ensue, I sense a reality show material right there.
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@morbiuswilters said:
The Cold War intervened and the Western powers realized Germany and Japan could prove to be useful allies and so decided to rebuild them instead of grinding them into the dirt.
That was, of course, a piece of seriously smart thinking, as it broke the cycle of nasty wars in Europe (which stretched back a lot further than the First World War; Europe's history was dominated by war since… shit, as far back as I can think). Alas, it didn't have the same effect in eastern Asia, and I suspect that things are brewing up there again. Hopefully the war that happens there will stay limited in scope.Damn, now I need to find another thread to cheer myself up.
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@dkf said:
That was, of course, a piece of seriously smart thinking, as it broke the cycle of nasty wars in Europe (which stretched back a lot further than the First World War; Europe's history was dominated by war since… shit, as far back as I can think).
Oh definitely, it was probably one of the greatest geopolitical moves in history. For as much shit as people give the US, the post-WWII order was a tremendous success, it easily could have gone so many different ways. And the US expended a good deal of money to rebuild and stabilize its allies and former enemies, with very little direct benefit to itself outside of the benefits of a more stable, peaceful world order.
And people forget that at the end of WWII, there existed a disparity of force between nations that has never existed before or after. Every major industrial nation on Earth was shattered and bleeding, with the exception of the United States. The US had such overwhelming power and advantage of everyone else that had it had the temperament of the 19th century European empires it could have marched into every capital in the world and declared itself rule of Earth and nobody could have stopped it.
Instead it focused on building a post-war order centered around diplomacy, trade, democracy and peace. It sank money into building and promoting international institutions like the United Nations. It rebuilt Germany and Japan so well that within a couple of decades they were serious economic competitors eating up market share of American companies. And yet I've never heard Americans complain about this or suggest we shouldn't have done these things, because I think most Americans knew it was the right thing to do and that was the end of it.
@dkf said:
Alas, it didn't have the same effect in eastern Asia, and I suspect that things are brewing up there again. Hopefully the war that happens there will stay limited in scope.
I dunno, I think it was pretty successful in Asia. Japan has been stable and extremely prosperous for decades through all kinds of instability right on its footsteps. And most of the trouble we've seen recently in Asia is the same we've seen in Asia and Eastern Europe for awhile: aggression by post-totalitarian (once Communist, now with a different nameplate but the same ambitions and methods) regimes bent on undermining international cooperation and extending their empires to their neighbors via direct violence.
We're also witnessing the unraveling of the American-led post-war order. The US is broke and the entire international economic order it established is going to fall apart soon, I see no way around it. Meanwhile Americans are getting fatter, dumber, greedier, more envious, more focused on taking from their neighbor rather than creating and all-around less concerned with what happens to everyone else. It doesn't help that the nation has been submerged in decades of propaganda telling it that it's evil, that it's enemies are merely misunderstood future friends.
And Europe, the constant nay-saying didn't help, either. The Europeans have been good allies to the US, but the griping and accusations really poisoned the well. Europe needs the American order than vice-versa (unless you all like the idea of conducting business in the ruble), although both will suffer pretty bad for any split. But as I see it, Americans are tired of providing protection and direction to Europe and getting insults and slurs in return. It's a raw deal and I have a feeling it will be done with in the coming decade or two.
That said, I have no idea how Asia will work out. If China and Japan get into a shooting war, America has extensive obligations to intervene on Japan's behalf. Meanwhile, Japan is a major industrial power that could produce a tremendous military machine along with nuclear weaponry in very short order. It's also the kind of thing that might knock them out of despondently masturbating to tentacle porn.
Personally I think China is just sabre-rattling. A direct war with the US would not go in their favor and I don't think the US is as unwilling to fight back as they think. The Chinese are known for taking the long view and it seems pretty obvious they could have regional hegemony in a few decades just by waiting for America to unravel.
It's not wise, though, which gives me pause and makes me wonder if China will be as cautious as I predict. Sabre-rattling now puts the Japanese on edge and if they're not careful they're going to get a regional alliance against them backed with Japanese industrial power. They'd be better off letting Japan and America decline further before making a move, rather than spooking the Japanese and giving time for a real opponent to emerge.
So the sabre-rattling worries me a bit, just like Putin's actions as of late. I think he will undoubtedly take eastern Ukraine (let's hope he leaves western Ukraine alone) but his moves seem beyond bold and into the realm of somewhat delusional. My concern is that he's getting so full of himself and his momentum he's going to try for a much bigger play. Something like Estonia. Which would be crazy, but Uncle Vlad isn't acting very rational as of late..
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Morbs, someone who isn't a psychosexual racist seems to have got hold of your password.
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@oheso said:
Morbs, someone who isn't a psychosexual racist seems to have got hold of your password.
Morbs isn't a racist. Boomzilla is the racist.
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@oheso said:
Morbs, someone who isn't a psychosexual racist seems to have got hold of your password.
I'll give your white ass such a raping.
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@morbiuswilters said:
I'll give your white ass such a raping.
Best piece of white ass you'll ever see ...
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@oheso said:
@morbiuswilters said:
I'll give your white ass such a raping.
Best piece of white ass you'll ever see ...
That's not true, I once saw Kenny Loggins toweling off at the Y.
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@El_Heffe said:
Oooohkay... that was the first time in something like half an eternity that the TDWTF forums have actually managed to make me say "WTF!?" out loud again.@Snooder said:
So to the Japanese, making a comedy loosely based on WWII with Hitler used mostly for the name recognition is like Hollywood making a wacky romantic comedy about Kim Jong Il or Idi Amin or some other horrific dictator that massacred lots of people.
Oh, like this one?
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@Anonymouse said:
@El_Heffe said:
Oooohkay... that was the first time in something like half an eternity that the TDWTF forums have actually managed to make me say "WTF!?" out loud again.I assumed it was from one of El_Heffe's home videos.
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@morbiuswilters said:
The US had such overwhelming power and advantage of everyone else that had it had the temperament of the 19th century European empires it could have marched into every capital in the world and declared itself rule of Earth and nobody could have stopped it.
And therein lies the problem. The USA already knew that Russia's "communism" was just another form of fascism, and they had the means to put an end to it with the nukes that they, at the time, were the only nation in the world to possess. Instead they sat back and did the fucking isolationist "if we're not being attacked any more it's not our problem" bullshit, and as a result millions were massacred by Stalin and Mao and friends. As a result we have North Korea, where millions starve and/or live in wretched conditions. As a result we have the combined threat of Russia and Red China propping up every tinpot dictatorship that will buy their weapons (NK, Iran, Assad's Syria, every fucking African country ever) and obstructing the UN from holding them accountable. As a result we will have another war in Asia at some point, a war that may very well engulf the entire planet and possibly destroy it if nukes are used.
The USA had an unparalleled opportunity to impose its values of democracy and equality on the rest of the world, and it passed up that opportunity. That isn't something that should be commended; it's a reprehensible abrogation of responsibility, pure and simple.
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@The_Assimilator said:
And therein lies the problem. The USA already knew that Russia's "communism" was just another form of fascism, and they had the means to put an end to it with the nukes that they, at the time, were the only nation in the world to possess. Instead they sat back and did the fucking isolationist "if we're not being attacked any more it's not our problem" bullshit, and as a result millions were massacred by Stalin and Mao and friends. As a result we have North Korea, where millions starve and/or live in wretched conditions. As a result we have the combined threat of Russia and Red China propping up every tinpot dictatorship that will buy their weapons (NK, Iran, Assad's Syria, every fucking African country ever) and obstructing the UN from holding them accountable. As a result we will have another war in Asia at some point, a war that may very well engulf the entire planet and possibly destroy it if nukes are used.
The USA had an unparalleled opportunity to impose its values of democracy and equality on the rest of the world, and it passed up that opportunity. That isn't something that should be commended; it's a reprehensible abrogation of responsibility, pure and simple.
I'm not sure someone who lives in South Africa has a lot of room to lecture about reprehensibility, but I somewhat agree with you. You forget, though, that a lot of Americans did want to take out the Communists, but Truman was like "I think I can charm this Stalin fellow with some home-spun anecdotes, maybe get that mustache to loosen up a little."
Also, a lot of Americans were under the delusion that the Soviets were more than mere Fascists who couldn't get the damn trains to run on time. And there was a surprisingly large contingent of Americans who loved Communism no matter how many people it crushed (in fact, that was the appeal.) Hell, we have a lot of people in modern America who think the Communists were either not such a threat or just fine-and-dandy (like our President, for one..)
Finally, regardless of the fact that I think it's clear America should have taken out the Communists, the US is not your personal fucking army. We're not the policemen who are obligated to save your asses when you can't stop murdering one another. And when we do try to do that, we get mocked and attacked by nearly the entire fucking world. We fought two miserable, costly wars to try and check Communism in East Asia. And we endured a lot to topple evil regimes in Iraq and Afghanistan and try to establish democracy in those countries.
Here's a question: what did you do to help? Did you enlist (or at least attempt to) to join the fight directly? Or at the very least did you do charity work (sending care packages to soldiers in those conflicts; donating money to charitable organizations that were trying to help soldiers or civilians in those country)? And if not, then why did you abrogate your responsibility? Or do you think that responsibility only lies with people not named "The Assimilator"?
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@morbiuswilters said:
We're also witnessing the unraveling of the American-led post-war order. The US is broke and the entire international economic order it established is going to fall apart soon, I see no way around it. Meanwhile Americans are getting fatter, dumber, greedier, more envious, more focused on taking from their neighbor rather than creating and all-around less concerned with what happens to everyone else. It doesn't help that the nation has been submerged in decades of propaganda telling it that it's evil
It took less than ten years for the clarity of thought behind the American-led post-war order to fall by the wayside, allowing the default bone-headed plan of world domination by force to get back into play. From the overthrow of the Iranian government in the mid-Fifties, through Vietnam in the Sixties and all the shit that went down in South America under Reagan, to Israel Can Do No Wrong Because It Is A Democracy in the Middle East - there is a core of fully legitimate grievance underlying all of the America Is Evil propaganda.Despite widespread belief in its own exceptionalism, the US - like Britain before it - is a disproportionately powerful nation-state whose only reliable long-term policy motivation is the immediate enrichment of its wealthiest citizens regardless of the consequences to everybody else. Everything else it does is essentially window dressing.
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@The_Assimilator said:
The USA had an unparalleled opportunity to impose its values of democracy and equality on the rest of the world, and it passed up that opportunity. That isn't something that should be commended; it's a reprehensible abrogation of responsibility, pure and simple.
Democracy is great, but it's also very, very hard. One of the things every attempt to impose democracy on other countries has shown us is that if a country is not ready to make the leap - - and sometimes even when it is - - democracy brought in from the outside is quickly corrupted. It's silly to think we could have fixed China or Russia, or any other country for that matter. When we tried, we largely failed, and the world looked at us as imperialists for it. If the need to impose democracy was so obvious and so great, why did we have to go it alone? Why are we still unable to persuade our allies to join such fights? Why must we stand alone while you sit back and question our resolve?
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@The_Assimilator said:
The USA had an unparalleled opportunity to impose its values of democracy and equality on the rest of the world, and it passed up that opportunity. That isn't something that should be commended; it's a reprehensible abrogation of responsibility, pure and simple.
... because that sort of interventionism has worked so well for us in the 21st Century ...
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@The_Assimilator said:
The USA had an unparalleled opportunity to impose its values of democracy and equality on the rest of the world, and it passed up that opportunity. That isn't something that should be commended; it's a reprehensible abrogation of responsibility, pure and simple.
Forcible imposition of the value of equality is pretty much a contradiction in terms, which dooms any effort to do so from the start (see Afghanistan for a recent and recurring example). Helping a nascent democracy establish and solidify itself is sometimes doable, but that's an entirely different thing from just waltzing into somewhere feudal and forcing them to be all like equal and democratic and stuff - especially if you have a vested interest in seizing control of all their natural resources.
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@flabdablet said:
especially if you have a vested interest in seizing control of all their natural resources.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
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@flabdablet said:
From the overthrow of the Iranian government in the mid-Fifties, through Vietnam in the Sixties and all the shit that went down in South America under Reagan..
Yeah, how dare we kill totalitarian regimes that oppressed their own people and did the dirty work of the greatest fascist nation of all time?
@flabdablet said:
there is a core of fully legitimate grievance underlying all of the America Is Evil propaganda.
No there isn't. You're a worthless, totalitarian-loving piece of shit. It's too bad you weren't forced to live in one of these countries, so you could have watched your children tortured and had you friends disappeared.
@flabdablet said:
Despite widespread belief in its own exceptionalism, the US - like Britain before it - is a disproportionately powerful nation-state whose only reliable long-term policy motivation is the immediate enrichment of its wealthiest citizens regardless of the consequences to everybody else.
[citation needed] you Nazi cocksucker.
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@flabdablet said:
especially if you have a vested interest in seizing control of all their natural resources.
See, when you say things like this, it shows you utterly retarded you are. This is a lie, a lazy, stupid lie, and to anyone who isn't a moron it betrays the fact that you are a pathetic tool.
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@flabdablet said:
Helping a nascent democracy establish and solidify itself is sometimes doable, but that's an entirely different thing from just waltzing into somewhere feudal and forcing them to be all like equal and democratic and stuff
Agreed. @flabdablet said:- especially if you have a vested interest in seizing control of all their natural resources.
Well, there you went and blew it. Whose natural resources have we seized control of? Please remind me -- how much free oil did we get from Kuwait after we saved their ass from Iraq in '91? How much free oil have we gotten from Iraq since disposing of Ronnie Raygun's buddy Saddam? How much free [anything] have we gotten from [anyone]?The U.S. has done a lot of things I disagree with but the claim that we are "seizing control" of natual resources all over the world is just bullshit.
